Canon vs. Fanon, part 13: Infirmary Fanon

[fignewton]

Welcome to a new edition of Canon vs. Fanon! And hello to the newcomers to my flist. :) I hope you’ll join the discussion – agreements and arguments are always welcome.

This time, we’re taking a look at the Little Doc’s domain: the infirmary, a favorite setting for drama, hurt/comfort, and angst. Certain basic staples of story-telling appear in nearly every fic that includes a scene in the infirmary, but how many of those are actually based on canon?

Recap: Canon is anything shown onscreen in the movie or show; show supersedes movie, when necessary. (The rebellion against Ra took place five thousand years ago, not ten thousand.) Fanon is defined as popular concepts that occur regularly in fanfic, but have little or no actual canon basis to defend them.

We begin with common fanon concepts, compare and contrast them to the reality of canon, and form a conclusion regarding the fanon’s validity. If I’ve missed something, whether it confirms or contradicts my analyses, please comment and let me know! And please remember that I'm not deliberately trying to mock any specific writer, or even whole groups of writers; I'm only pointing out what's fanon, and what's actually canon.

When SG-1 returns from a mission, someone is invariably hurt (usually Daniel). When SG-1’s IDC code shows up on the computer, the medical team immediately starts prepping for surgery.

It is true that whumping, of one kind or another, is a frequent occurrence on off-world missions. However, it is a gross exaggeration to suggest that any time SG-1 goes on a mission, the medical staff automatically preps the OR room – or that SG-1 is the only team that ends up hurt. (Siler, of course, has the largest medical file at the SGC.)

Some of this was detailed in an earlier post; but in the first eight seasons of the show – that is, one hundred seventy-eight episodes – the individual members of SG-1 required medical attention of various degrees during an average of ten percent of those episodes:

Daniel's totals: 17 medical treatments on-world, including 8 infirmary stays. (An “infirmary stay” is any incident in which the patient is put to bed, rather than being monitored or receiving out-patient treatment.)

Jack's totals: 19 medical treatments on-world, including 8 infirmary stays.

Sam's totals: 16 medical treatments on-world, including 8 infirmary stays.

Teal’c’s totals: 11 medical treatments on-world, including seven – possibly eight, if you include Avatar – infirmary stays. (Bloodlines [voluntary], Solitudes, Bane, Out of Mind, Legacy, Urgo, Threshold, The Fifth Man, Changeling, Orpheus, and Avatar. Episodes like New Ground and The Serpent’s Venom, where Teal’c is badly wounded off-world, are not included; we don’t know that Junior didn’t repair the damage on its own.) You will note that Teal’c has a much higher percentage of overnight infirmary stays than the other members of SG-1, but this is because Teal’c has Junior for the little things. When Teal’c is sick or wounded, it tends to be serious.

Obviously, post-mission exams are routine (more on this below!). But considering the totals listed here, the typical fanfic musings from Hammond or Janet that “it’s always SG-1" are a lot more fanon than canon.

Conclusion: While all the members of SG-1 have required medical attention multiple times during the course of the show, it is not inevitable that they will always be injured during their missions through the Stargate.

Janet keeps her patients in line with threats of using “big” or “specially dulled” needles.

While this entertaining bit of fanon fits nicely with what we know of Janet’s mischievous personality (and even more, I suspect, with Teryl Rothery’s), there is no canon basis whatsoever for what would actually be hugely unprofessional behavior on Janet's part.

We have a direct reference to needles in the infirmary once only, in Foothold. In that episode, the people in the infirmary are actually aliens masquerading as the medical staff, but since they are behaving completely in character, thanks to the little gadgets they’re wearing, we can accept that behavior as canon. (For further discussion on when canon should and shouldn’t be accepted as regular canonical behavior, you might want to wander over here.)

SG-1 returns from a mission in a rather waterlogged state. Janet instructs Jack to loosen his belt to prepare for an injection.

“How is a needle in the butt going to get water out of my ears?” Jack complains.

Janet’s smile does seem to indicate that this is a rather common gripe, as she replies, “It isn’t. Come on, sir, you know this is standard procedure.”

“We should rethink this procedure,” Jack snipes. Then, as a (never seen again) nurse approaches with a rather large syringe, he turns to her and says, “Listen, really jam it in this time, okay?”

The nurse’s grin as she nods does suggest, once again, that the medical staff is used to Jack’s grousing about injections. (Jack’s behavior as a patient is a different topic entirely, and one that I might tackle in the future.) But there is no mention of the size of the needle, or how blunt it might be.

Conclusion: there is no canon basis for the common fanon trope of Janet threatening to use the “big needles” if her patients don’t behave.

Injured teammates off-world are comforted with promises of “happy juice” once they get to the sanctuary of the infirmary; once they are back at the SGC, the other members of the team stand ready to offer ice chips when the patient awakens.

The charm of these bits of fanon, to me, is how often they appear in fanfics, despite the absence of any canon to support them.

There is actually plenty of canonical evidence of team members parking themselves at a victim’s bedside, although not necessarily in shifts and for hours at a time. In Season One alone, we have:

COTG. Kawalsky stays at Ferretti’s bedside while he is recovering from surgery.

Enemy Within. Jack spends time with Kawalsky before the failed surgery to remove the Goa’uld, and the team watches the surgery itself.

The Broca Divide. Teal’c sits at Daniel’s side in “The Circle” while they wait for him to recover from his antihistamine tranq shot.

Bloodlines. The team watches Janet’s attempt to remove Junior.

Singularity. Sam stays with Cassie, with Daniel as back-up.

Solitudes. Teal’c is there when Daniel awakens from his head-first landing on the ramp.

However, there is never a single instance when a wounded teammate is promised “lots of happy juice” (otherwise known as “sedatives,” or possibly morphine) when they get back to the safety of “Janet’s needles,” and the only time ice is ever featured on SG-1 is when they’re in Antarctica. (Off-world, there’s Touchstone and Beneath the Surface.)

Conclusion: While there is plenty of canonical evidence for the team rallying around wounded teammates, we never see them referring to “happy juice” (or, in fact, ever promising that Janet will take away the pain) or spooning ice chips into the mouths of just-awakened patients.

MRIs are a routine part of the post-mission exams – a mandatory check that no one has been infested with a Goa’uld while off-world.

To be fair, it’s relatively easy to trace just how this came to be accepted as fanon. The problem is that both instances take place within the first season of the show – and there isn’t a single other mention of using the MRI to detect a Goa’uld after that, much less as a routine check-up.

Let’s take a look at the various MRIs performed (or not performed) on SG-1, and the reasons for them:

Enemy Within. Warner performs an MRI on Kawalsky and discovers the immature Goa’uld attached to Kowalsky’s brainstem. This is the first canon reference to using the MRI to detect the presence of a symbiote.

Cold Lazarus. When a “second” Jack comes back to the SGC, Janet performs an MRI on the real Jack to determine his identity. I’m unclear on how the MRI was supposed to do this. She also performed a DNA test.

Fire and Water. When Sam, Teal’c, and Jack continue to profess their disbelief of Daniel’s death, Janet performs MRIs and uncovers evidence of tampering with their memories.

ETA: Singularity. caladria strikes again! Janet reports about Cassie, "No sign of the infection, and as a precaution, I did an ultrasound to make sure she wasn't parasitically infested with a Goa'uld." This is doubly interesting, because while they know that Cassie has naquadah in her blood at this point, they don't know that a Goa'uld releases naquadah into the host's system. This is the only canon reference to using ultrasound to detect the presence of a symbiote.

TBFTGOG. In the SGA, Daniel is handcuffed and sedated so the doctors can perform an MRI, specifically, as Katherine states later, for the purpose of detecting the possible presence of a symbiote. Daniel clearly recognizes this, as he shouts, “I am not a Goa’uld!" while they slam him down. This is the second canon reference to using the MRI to detect the presence of a symbiote, albeit in an alternate universe; Daniel understands the purpose immediately.

In the Line of Duty. Janet’s post-mission inspection for possible Goa’uld infestation is apparently limited to inspecting the neck for possible scars. No MRI is performed, which is why Jolinar is able to remain in Sam until Cassie senses the symbiote.

Serpent’s Song. Janet uses progressive MRIs to monitor Apophis-the-symbiote during the time he is imprisoned in the infirmary.

One False Step. Janet performs an MRI on one of the aliens to try and determine what is causing them all to collapse.

Legacy. Janet tells Daniel that she performed, among other things, an MRI on Teal’c, but that she could not find any sign of the organism that Daniel insists he saw go inside him.

Learning Curve. Janet uses an MRI to find out why Merrin has “abnormally high neural-peptide levels” and discover the nanites in Merrin’s brain.

Past and Present. Janet uses MRIs on the victims of the Vorlix to determine how their memories are affected.

ETA: Urgo. Thanks, aurora_novarum! This one really was on my list, I just watched it...! Ah, well. The type of medical scan isn't specified, but Janet probably used an MRI to detect Urgo's physical presence in SG-1's brains. It's only "an errant pixel" until she enhances it with an "electron resonance scan" which, magnified ten thousand times, gives them a picture of Urgo itself (himself?). Someone who knows a bit more about medical equipment can clarify for me whether or not MRIs were actually involved here.

The Curse. Janet and Sam use an MRI to discover the dead Isis trapped in her canopic jar.

Rite of Passage. Because of the EM fields that Cassie keeps generating, Janet cannot perform an MRI to find out what’s wrong.

Prophecy. Janet uses a series of MRIs to detect the growing tumor in Jonas’ brain.

Lifeboat. McKenzie performs an MRI and EEG on Daniel when he returns from the Stromos and determines that while Daniel’s consciousness has retreated to a comatose state for safety, there are as many as twelve distinct personalities renting space in Daniel’s brain.

Evolution. Sam and Jacob try to perform an MRI on the captured Kull warrior, but the armor doesn’t allow it.

Full Alert. The Russian authorities take a blood sample from Daniel to determine whether or not he is infested with a Goa’uld. This is the first canon suggestion that a simple blood test can be used to detect a symbiote. ETA: An interesting suggestion in the comments has prompted the theory that the blood test might, in fact, have been useless. Since it was the Goa'uld himself who ordered the blood work done, it might very well have been a smokescreen to mask its own presence by convincing the Russian authorities to use blood tests, rather than ultrasounds or MRIs, to detect a Goa'uld symbiote. Daniel didn't argue that the blood test was useless, but he might have been wary of kicking up too much of a fuss.

So Warner first uses the MRI to spot the immature Goa’uld taking up residence in Kawalsky. The alternate universe uses the MRI to determine that the floppy-haired kid that insists he's part of SG-1 isn't hosting a Goa’uld. But while Daniel instantly recognizes why they’re performing the MRI, that isn’t proof that he’s used to the routine; it only means that he remembers Warner’s test and what it might mean under his present circumstances. It might even be possible that he’d overhead specific instructions that clarified their intentions.

In the Line of Duty is ample proof that MRIs aren’t part of the routine post-mission check-up. Jolinar did try to duck the exam; but since she eventually did go, and Janet only found evidence of some abrasions in the back of Sam’s throat, it wasn’t because Jolinar had searched Sam’s mind and discovered the risk of the MRI.

There is no canonical reference to Janet or Hammond or anyone suggesting that after the disaster of Jolinar, MRIs had better be instituted as a mandatory exam to ensure that no other Goa’uld/Tok’ra tried to smuggle themselves to Earth.

ETA:  Yes, there is! Thanks to caladria, who points out that Janet does, in fact, make the following statement in In the Line of Duty: "If a Goa'uld can infest a human being with no detectible physical signs, we're going to have to start giving all personnel who go through the Gate an ultrasound or an MRI." I'm going to assume this statement of Janet's is actually the canonical reference for the mandatory MRI. Consider this, though: after that single statement at the beginning of Season Two, MRIs are not associated with the Goa’uld at all – with the sole exception of Janet using multiple MRIs to track Apophis’ weakening condition in Serpent’s Song. And by the time the eighth season rolls around, it is evident that a simple blood test – for naquadah, perhaps? – is enough to determine the presence of the Goa’uld. (Or not, if that theory about the blood test being a false trail is true.) There might be reasons why MRIs are preferable to blood work, or vice versa – time constraints, or naquadah only appearing in the blood after the Goa’uld is fully integrated with the host, or who knows what else. And ultrasounds - also on Janet's list of suggestions, and actually appearing once in canon! - are a lot less time consuming (and cheaper!) than an MRI, but no one seems to suggest that for routine post-mission examinations, even though Janet uses ultrasound to check out Cassie in Singularity. At the very least, Full Alert suggests that there are probably multiple ways to detect a symbiote.

Conclusion: There is a single canon instance in our universe, and a single canon reference in an alternate universe, in which an MRI is specifically performed for the purpose of detecting the presence of a symbiote. Both of these references take place in Season One, before Jolinar in Sam does not undergo an MRI in Season Two. Therefore, despite the suggestion Janet makes in In the Line of Duty, there is no canonical proof for the common fanon assertion that MRIs are a mandatory, routine part of the post-mission exam for any person who goes off-world.

If you’re interested in other common infirmary fanon tropes, previous discussions have included a more detailed comparison of visits to the infirmary (cited above) and Janet’s fangirl nurses.

My personal fanon opinion? The infirmary is a truly wonderful setting for fanfic. You've got all the props Jack needs to play with, the Little Doc (who brightens up any story), and the opportunity for the whole range of emotional drama, from angst to humor and back again. But while team whumping is often too tempting to resist, and will always be part of the fannish consciousness, authors should be aware that it’s not quite as common as many writers would suggest. Janet’s wicked sense of humor is certainly canon, but dire threats of big, dulled needles are not. Ice chips and happy juice are clichés that a writer might wish to avoid. And quite frankly, the MRI fanon bothers me a lot, because I was convinced it was true until I actually did some research. Bad fanon! No biscuit!

"Anyway, I'm sorry, but that just happens to be how I feel about it. What do you think?"

ETA August 29th: Whee! Aurora got inspired by this discussion in the comments and came up with this: Trauma Confusion!

Comments

[green-grrl.livejournal.com]

I think ice chips probably comes from anyone who has actually visited anyone in a hospital. It is canon that the team members visit each other. And if you're visiting someone who has just gotten out of surgery, well, they're not allowed to drink yet and they have dry mouth... It's a logical extrapolation.

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Do you know how rare it was in canon for SG-1 members to actually undergo surgery?

Let's see, now: Daniel had his appendix taken out. Losing Junior probably qualified as surgery. Jonas had that aneurysm, or whatever, taken out in Prophecy. And Jack underwent surgery during Heroes.

...I think that's it. Or are you counting any time someone lost consciousness in the infirmary? That list is admittedly a lot higher.

I've been in the hospital post-surgery myself, and I didn't get a cute cup of ice chips, sad to say. I got a little gauze swab on a popsicle stick and a cup of lukewarm water that I could use to wet my lips and mouth. I think I ended up drinking it when no one was looking, but that's neither here nor there. :)

Yes, ice chips are a logical extrapolation. Their widespread use, however, moves it solidly into fanon cliche. In my opinion, anyway! ;)

[green-grrl.livejournal.com]

Jack had to have way more surgeries than that, even if minor -- he had an arrow stuck through him in Heroes, a pole stuck through him in Message in a Bottle -- and that's just off the top of my head. I think the docs would poke around a little more than just a set of stitches for a full body penetration.

Your hospital was mean!

I think it's more like TPTB aren't terribly realistic about what a hospital visit looks like, and the fic writers are adding some of the realism back in. It's analagous to the meals thing and people eating way more often than we see on screen.

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Spirits is an excellent catch! MiaB - the little thingies totally cured him when they released him from the wall. And, of course, there was Enemy Mine. Huh. Jack does get whumped quite a bit, doesn't he? Not quite as lethally as Daniel, for the most part...

Yes, I can accept that there's lots and lots and lots of perfectly reasonably extrapolated sdetails in fangic. As far as I'm concerned, though, the sheer volume of references to happy juice and "yummy ice chips" (I kid you not) moves it solidly for parallel extrapolation to the realms of fanon. ::points at final line of post as caveat::

[green-grrl.livejournal.com]

Ah, I forgot the MiaB thing. Yeah, it cracks me up that fanon paints Daniel as the whumpee. Because Jack is the one who tends to have the major injuries -- RDA getting the eps off that he wanted. ;-)

I suppose I should be glad that I haven't seen enough cloying h/c that ice chips aren't a trigger. Happy juice seems like the kind of thing one could hear once and it'd be okay, but after that... *shudder*

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it cracks me up that fanon paints Daniel as the whumpee. Because Jack is the one who tends to have the major injuries

I think it's because Jack's injuries tend to incapacitate, while Daniel's tend to leave him dead. :)

Of course it's a question of volume! If I hadn't seen the references to happy juice and ice chips so often, it wouldn't come across as fanon. As it is - it kinda grates like Dannyboy, after a while.

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

I think it's because Jack's injuries tend to incapacitate, while Daniel's tend to leave him dead. :)

Also, I could be wrong - but I feel like Jack gets a lot more of the standard "soldierly" injuries - broken/dislocated bones, weapons wounds, etc where Daniel gets more alien stuff (zats, hand devices, sarcaphagus addiction) and unusual stuff (radiation poisoning) and also more emotional whumps - not to say Jack doesn't get emotional whumps or unusual problems and, as you say, Jack doesn't die as often - or as semi-permanently (man do I love that I can say stuff like "doesn't die as often" or "his deaths aren't as permanent")

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Oh, I definitely agree with this: Jack gets "normal" wounds/injuries, while Daniel gets the off-world whumpage that demands supra-Tauri healing.

man do I love that I can say stuff like "doesn't die as often" or "his deaths aren't as permanent"

I know! Makes me giggle every time. See Aurora's "Insurance Snafu" for future reference. :)

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

True, we haven't *seen* surgery that often. But with some extrapolation - it has to have happened. I'd bet Jack had it after "Solitudes" in addition to the times green_grrl mentioned. Sam may have had surgery after "2001" depending on how bad her shoulder/collarbone was after falling through the 'gate.

Though, if you think about it, in a way we don't see all that many serious injuries - the only for sure broken bone I can think of is Jack in "Solitudes" - though I strongly suspect Sam broke or dislocated her shoulder in "2001" and Daniel's wrist was broken by Reese in, um, "Menace" and, of course, we have Cam's crash in Antarctica (though they aren't exactly clear WHAT his injuries were - legs, spinal, both, or what). We see a lot of weird alien problems, staff blasts, and bumps to the head mostly. I think...
(I should re-read your injury collection post before I make statements like this)

But, also, I agree with green_grrl's theory that they're adding a bit of realism the show leaves out. They're actually better than a lot of shows in being correct with field medicine/first aid stuff (I got so excited in "Heroes" when Janet and Daniel correctly turned, um, the injured guy, over onto his back - both because they got it right and because it has to prove my fanon that Daniel (and I suspect all 'gate team members) has first aid training beyond the super basic).

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

The list I gave green_grrl was off the top of my head. I didn't even refer to my own post. :) I have Solitudes very solidly in the "required infirmary stay" list, but Menace is more ambiguous - the wrist might have been broken, but it also might have been sprained or twisted. Unless it was a multiple break, ice chips probably weren't required. :)

2001 is a good addition, too, and were you as annoyed as I was that no one even asked Sam if she was okay, or reached out a hand to help her to her feet?

Went back to look at my list to see what I'd missed, and it wasn't that much.

Daniel: Solitudes. No sign of ice chips from Teal'c! The big meanie!

Nemesis. Daniel is enough post-op not to need ice chips any more.

Evolution. We don't know how bad the gunshot wound was. May or may not have required surgery, but he was back on his feet, albeit on crutches, by the time Jacob and Bra'tac and Sam and Teal'c made it back.

Lockdown. Surgery required, I think, but he's sitting up and complaining rather loudly once he awakens.

Jack: Show and Tell seems to have been relatively minor. I don't think he ever lost consciousness.

Enemy Mine, as mentioned above. His arm is in a sling.

Matter of Time. No ice chips offered, even if everyone is there when he wakes up.

Desperate Measures. Jack is shot and loses consciousness - he doesn't know Simmons has a hand in Conrad's escape.

Abyss. Canon that he asked for water, not for ice chips! Ah-HA!

Sam: Solitudes, like Jack. In the Line of Duty. Entity. Prophecy. Grace and Death Knell. Sheesh - Daniel might die the most, but Sam certainly gets the most concussions! I think Entity and Grace are the only ones where we actually see her waking - and no one offers her ice chips, either.

So. No canon references despite the occasional potential for it. And too cliched for me. :)

Word on Daniel getting basic medical training! I like to think Jack insisted on it after Sam splinted his leg in Antarctica. ;)

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

It's true, Menace is ambiguous - it might not be broken. I strongly suspect it's either broken or badly mangled and, actually, I would highly recommend ice chips. A large bag of them applied directly to the wrist :)

Huh, I don't remember being annoyed with that in 2001 - I haven't re-watched it, but I remember her being pretty quickly surrounded by people and, well, she's lying on her back on a flat, safe, surface with an obvious shoulder injury. If I were Janet, I'd kill anyone who tried to move her/help her up.

I'm really curious with Evolution how bad Daniel's wound was - gunshots in the thigh can be not so bad (grazing or soft tissue) but if they get to close to the femur or the femural artery it can be really, really bad (like bleed out and die in under a minute bad). It looks like he gets a direct hit to the middle of his thigh - but he doesn't seem to bleed enough or be incapacitated enough for that - only the angle wouldn't make a graze make sense...and, can you tell I maybe thought about this too much? If the bullet did enter (and I'm pretty sure it either grazed him or entered and stayed - no evidence of an exit wound) I would expect them to do surgery to remove it. At least they gave him crutches...

As for Abyss - just cause he asked for water doesn't mean he wasn't given ice chips :)

See, Sam and Daniel both get the most head wounds - they're so smart it would take a lot for there to be an effect :)

Word on Daniel getting basic medical training! I like to think Jack insisted on it after Sam splinted his leg in Antarctica. ;)

My personal fanon is that Jack and Sam both have first aid training (I would expect any combat soldier has at least basic training - which definitely implies it for Jack, and I think Sam would think it was important for her to know). There is (fanon? canon?) evidence to Sam being the "team medic" the way Daniel is the default DHD dialer but we don't know that either Jack or Sam was canonically a medic. I can't see, at least after a little while, Janet (or Hammond) letting teams go without at least one team member being trained as a medic and, considering the problems if that medic gets hurt, my fanon has Janet pushing for everyone, including civilians, to get that level of training. I also think Janet then developed new, off-world specific, first aid classes.

As for Antarctica - maybe. Her splint looked decent to me, given what they have and, well, what she's doing? It's going to hurt anyway, even done right - they don't mention having pain meds (which is odd...). What bugs me is I can't figure out *where* Jack's leg is broken - I feel like they imply it's a tibia or fibia fracture, but that doesn't make sense for where Sam ties on the splint (you Do Not Tie it over the break or too close to the break - but you do support either side and immobilize the joints on both sides - since she does his ankle and knee but not his hip, I assume it's a lower leg break).

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

Also, I'm really curious about Teal'c. Considering how Jaffa are treated by the Goa'uld and the symbiote healing powers, I don't think Jaffa have any medical or first aid treatment to speak of. Either your symbiote heals you or you die.

I think it was really weird for Teal'c to see all this medicine and first aid measures and learn it and realize how fragile the Tau'ri are - and then, as we saw canonically, very hard for him to deal with him being similar after tretonin.

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes! Add another thing to the list that Teal'c had to cope with - accepting humans as allies instead of slaves, witnessing medical procedures, discovering the existence of ACL and near-sightedness. But he got introduced to that pretty quickly, when he volunteered his symbiote to test out Warner's sedatives. I think he just put it in the "these crazy Tau'ri" column, along with cable television.

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

I would highly recommend ice chips. A large bag of them applied directly to the wrist :)

Hee! Yes, I salute you there. :)

Good point on the need to keep Sam still in 2001 in case of back/shoulder injury.

Evolution is fun in that you can take it either way, really. The bullet definitely went into his leg - as you say, no exit wound. So some kind of surgery, yes. But he was mobile enough at the end, so... ::shrugs::

Sam and Daniel both get the most head wounds - they're so smart it would take a lot for there to be an effect :)

Jack resembles that remark! (and his eyebrow, too!)

I agree that Sam didn't do a bad job in Antarctica; I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise! But I think Solitudes taught them that anyone might find themselves required to play medic, whether they want to or not, so it would be wise to have more extensive training than they might have considered before.

As far as I know, it's fanon that Sam is the team medic, and it's probably taken from Solitudes. (considers adding it to the Sam list)

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

Good point on the need to keep Sam still in 2001 in case of back/shoulder injury.

Yep. That's something that was strongly emphasized in my first responder class - assuming the surroundings are safe (and she's in the gateroom) the floor can really make an excellent splint. And, really, you want to move an injured person as little as possible.

The bullet definitely went into his leg - as you say, no exit wound.

Well, that or it grazed him (though that probably wouldn't have required crutches...so...gah! *flails hands like Jack*

Ah, yes, I see what you mean about Solitudes.

As far as I know, it's fanon that Sam is the team medic, and it's probably taken from Solitudes.
Okay, now I'm really curious to take a look at team injuries and see who does treatment when treatment is done. Certainly Sam is the only one we see assisting with official procedures out of the field. The fact that Daniel was assisting Janet in Heroes and seemed to have a clue what he was doing speaks very loudly to me that he's had training (also, it's interesting that he's assisting Janet rather than joining in the fight or Janet bringing a "real" medic to assist her - since by then Daniel is good enough in a fight to be trusted (I think. Maybe.) that tells me he's trained enough Janet trusts his competence. Or something.

[aurora-novarum.livejournal.com]

They talk about that end scene in 2001 in the commentary. Apparently the guys were lazy about moving from their marks (which would've meant more coverage and longer filming day), so that's why they all just stood there. I think it was Martin Wood, but whoever it was noted how it looked like the guys didn't care about her, but it really wasn't true.

I figure all of them have had medic training, but some deal with it more than others.

I'm trying to remember a cool fic I read about Teal'c explaining medical stuff to Bra'tac. They know some from dealing with human slaves, but not advanced medicine because the gods wouldn't have let that happen.

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Huh on the 2001 commentary. Good thing we can come up with a medical explanation, then.

Might you be thinking of Katie M's delightful Something Sweet? Teal'c gets his first cavity, post-Junior.

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

I hate when character explanations come down to "the actors were lazy" *smacks actors*

I figure all of them have had medic training, but some deal with it more than others.

Exactly. I'm sure some of them are more comfortable/confident about it and generally just more likely.

Isn't there a fic where Teal'c gets his first cavity - I feel like I remember reading that and Bra'tac getting involved.
I wonder how much they care about the human slaves wrt medicine. I just feel like individuality isn't all that important, and thus individual life isn't all that important...huh. I wonder if they ever let Jaffa/slaves use the sarcaphagus?

[green-grrl.livejournal.com]

They're actually better than a lot of shows in being correct with field medicine/first aid stuff

Which is why it irked me to no end that they didn't get mouth-to-mouth right in The Light or in Prometheus Bound. Apparently Jack was supposed to resuscitate Daniel in The Light, but the actors wwere having one of those days, and the take that worked was him just patting Daniel's cheek. *eyeroll* But in PU, it was written into the script (because ha, ha, homophobia is funny) that Reynolds didn't want to resuscitate Hammond. Argh! They are professional soldiers, who throw themselves into their duty to save each other.

Um, it's a bit of a sore point with me...

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Reynolds didn't want to resuscitate Hammond

I like Reynolds too much to accept that interpretation myself. I have enough difficulties with PU in the first place, anyway. But I like to think of that scene as Reynolds panicking - maybe it's his first real attempt at CPR, and this is Hammond, so he's overwhelmingly relieved that Hammond's life isn't going to depend on his own questionable skills.

...So sue me if I like to handwave stupidities. :)

As for The Light? I like to pretend that Daniel did start breathing again, albeit very shallowly, the second they came through the Gate, so that all Jack really needed to do was get him to wake up. ::handwaves vigorously::

[green-grrl.livejournal.com]

Oh, yeah, the vigorous handwaving. I have carpal tunnel from it. ;-)

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

Oh, no kidding.
"The Light" didn't bother me - I can handwave the weird alien narcotic doing something (and I can't remember - did he just stop breathing or did his heart stop too?). So the Light was fine.

PU drove me NUTS! I yelled at the screen when it happened and I still flail about it whenever it can. Because, as you say, Reynolds is a professional frontline soldier. He is not going to act like that (whether it's because, as I believe the writers wanted us to think, he scared of OMG homophobia or because he's scared because it's the general - I don't care - he's gonna look a lot more stupid if he doesn't try and the general dies).

I definitely feel your sore points :)

[green-grrl.livejournal.com]

IIRC, Daniel's heart monitor alarm went off when they were on the way to the gate, so full CPR would have been called for, unless you handwave that coming back to the device instantly resuscitated him.

he's gonna look a lot more stupid if he doesn't try and the general dies

Word! I have to think that an AF advisor wasn't around at that point...

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

I think we have to handwave that then. Not breathing but heart still beating and *maybe* he'd resuscitate on his own when he gets through. But both stopping and he should need the extra help - maybe the addictive light ALSO acts as a defibrillator? (since I am not convinced CPR would do much in this case anyway)

Sometimes I swear they must have gotten the Air Force advisor drunk and locked him in a closet or something...

[aurora-novarum.livejournal.com]

I know I fanwanked in a story once that Daniel started breathing again as soon as he got back on the planet. I think redbyrd_sgfic did in her Light story too.

As for P.U. I share your hate of that scene. Fig's handwank makes it more palatable, I guess.

Yeah, we need exercise classes for the handwaving, don't we?