Despite this being new Stargate for me, I know a little more about this one than most other S6 eps for which I only skimmed a transcript over four years ago. That, of course, is because this ep plays a major role in S8 by being the beginning of Replicarter. As ![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
abyssinia says, Replicarter is arguably one of the best villains to ever grace Stargate. She induces the same horrified fascination as Absolute Power!Daniel - one of the good guys, but with all the brakes off. AP!Daniel, however, lasted a single ep and never existed outside Daniel's (and Shifu's?) mind(s). Replicarter, in contrast, nearly took over an entire galaxy. And, like AP!Daniel, it makes all us wonder, just a little, how very very dangerous Sam would be if her moral compass went AWOL. That has to be fun. :) Aby, BTW, will be recapping this ep for ![[info]](https://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/community.gif)
redial_the_gate later today, and I fully expect it to be utterly squeeful!
Despite all that, I have to confess that I'm not a real fan of human-form Replicators (I'll call 'em HFRs from now on). Replicarter, hoo boy yes. But the idea of HFRs are, to me, a major letdown from the visceral creepiness of metal lego bugs. It's also a bit, hm, anthropomorphic-centric? The spider forms were much more efficent. Why not pattern themselves after the Asgard, fr'instance, who they've been fighting all these centuries?
Ah, well. Here we go. As always, liveblogging of reaction without really discussing the ep. Onwards!
Daniel and Reece! I'd forgotten the Asgard took her. Ah, Daniel. ::misses him::
That "previously" of an Asgard (Thor?) talking about Reece - where is that from? Revelations, maybe? I've only watched it once and I regret to say that wasn't when Redial featured it last season.
So a dumb ship rather than a dumb idea? :) And hey, JONAS MEETS THE ASGARD. Woo hoo! Why doesn't Thor ask who he is?
It is hilarious that poor Teal'c still hasn't had a chance to take that stupid cap off. I mean yes, he looks good in black and all, but it's not like he needs to hid anything at this point, does he?
"You instructed every Replicator out there to come to you...?" "I have a theory why you lost the war." Hee, Jack! And speaking of dumb ideas, instead of this elaborately arranged trap, why didn't the Asgard tell the Replicators to "come forth" in the vicinity of a black hole or something?
Er, Thor, not asking for much, are you? And if they activate the device, how do they leave?
::grins:: Thor, you showoff. At least the prisoners and annoying reporter woman can get home, though.
"I hope you did the paperwork." ::sporfles::
DO NOT LIKE that Jack didn't tell Thor that he needs to talk to Hammond first. I mean, I love the Asgard's little gray butts and all that, but Jack doesn't have the right to make this decision on his own.
Ah, yay, thank you, Jack! "It's not my ship. It's not up to me." Thor just jumped the gun.
Siler!
Love, love that grin on Hammond's face. "Colonel! It's good to see you alive and well." Awww, George!
BEST LINE EVER: "You might want to get upstairs and punch one on the old speed dial."
Blank, puzzled look: "My grandchildren?"
Jack: "Two, then." BECAUSE GEORGE HAMMOND IS AWESOMESAUCE TIMES ELEVENTY.
"Sir... we can't call it the Enterprise." Bwah! And Sam's grin, hee hee hee.
"...I'm hungry." "...Cargo Bay Three, sir." And again Sam's expression! How she puts up with his insanity... :) Don't answer that, shippers, thank you.
THE ICE CREAM SCENE! No one told me this ep has some of the most classic glee bits in S6!
Do not meddle in the ice cream of the Jaffa, for they are not all that subtle. <-- I thinknomadicwriter has an icon to that effect...
::giggles:: No one told me Teal'c switched flavors on Jack! I love all this interplay going on right underneath Jonas' obliviousness.
Thor's eyes narrowing is oddly adorable.
"What is with you people?! Time machines are nothing but trouble. Even we know that!" With a side look at Teal'c. :) Window of Opportunity still grates, apparently. Although Jack seems to forget that come Moebius.
Shoes and footwear - it's not like the Asgard reallly get that metaphor, heh.
That visual of the contrast in size between Thor's ship and Earth is fabulous. Still a long way to go.
Jack training Jonas, wheeeeeee!
No sign of Replicators, but the surface is completely smooth. Urgh, what if the surface is Replicators?
Halla used to be an Asgard world, right? So did the Replicators do something to the weather?
Eeee! I was right about the Replicators being the surface! Man, walking on that would be downright nauseating. "Watch your step," yeah.
Structure is all fancy and futuristic on the outside and cobwebby bricks on the inside? On an Asgard world? Ooookay.
Y'know, starting a timer is one thing. But how does Sam know how to reverse the time dilation? (Although that will obviously come in handy four years later in the Episode I Will Not Talk About.)
Fifth! In a funky jacket.
Okay, so let me speculate here. I can buy the HFRs looking, well, human because they're somehow patterned after Reece, okay. I like that there are two women there, although if Reece was their inspiration, I'd expect more women than men, and certainly that the first one would be a female. But the accent from HFR #1...? Someone has been watching Star Wars again, apparently. Also, I would've liked to see actors with slightly Asian features, like Reece had.
"Ah." BLAM BLAM BLAM. That is so perfectly Jack that it makes me grin. :)
No reaction from the HFRs to the gunplay, which surprised me - the one in the beginning of S8 was affected, although it could easily heal itself. But the sound of advancing bugs is delightfully creepy. And yes, this is why I feel the HFRs are a big step downwards in feeling the menace of it all.
"We're in your unconscious mind." "You'd think there'd be more lights on." Aside from Jack's usual snark, that line is awesome on so many levels, particularly Jack's tendency to play dumb when he thinks it would help.
The iris code.... ::shivers:: And then, of course, Jack has to say, "Here's one for you. I'm thinking of an animal." Ah, Jack. He even makes Replicators laugh!
Uh oh. That was a mistake, HFR. You DO NOT MESS with the memory of Charlie.
It may all be in Jack's head, but I'm glad we got to see the Stargate somehow in this ep.
Teal'c has beautiful, elegant fingers. I think that should be said.
Where's Jonas? ...Ah, there he is. Poor guy - couldn't the HFRs give him a chair?
Temple? Huh. Jonas arguing for talk instead of blowing things up didn't make me nostalgic for Daniel, but that does.
"Anyone hungry?" Yes, this refers to the invitation "to dinner," but I can't help thinking of the last time Jack mentioned that towards the beginning of the ep.
Water bottles. A bowl of apples. Two watermelons. I want to know who chose the menu here. :)
The "boy girl boy girl" things reminds me of the Auditors in pTerry's Thief of Time. I still wonder why they didn't go with a female first, though.
Can't help feeling a little sorry for Fifth here as his weaknesses are openly discussed and dismissed. Poor guy has never met chicanery before, much less the minor manipulation of praise. Also, I wondered why Sixth didn't have the same "flaw," but the dialogue implies that Fifth was a test case they abandoned.
That moment when the bugs drop down on the table, and Jack jumps back just as I flinch at the screen? Yeah. I rest my case - classic Replicators are much more creepy and horrifying than HFRs.
Not too painful for Sam, this time. And I find it very, very hard to watch that scene without thinking of the interplay between Fifth and Sam in S8. She's all earnest and appealing to his logical nature even as she goes for the emotional twist, and... okay, yes, I know how that ends. It's kinda ow all round.
I would absolutely NOT use a Replicator-block table to haul myself to my feet. YUCK.
I have to believe that Sam really did mean to take Fifth along with them. I refuse to accept that she manipulated him so coldly by suggesting he can get there faster when she knew they'd trick him. "You won't leave without me?" "...No." And then she gives him a time that's a fraction too late, and oh Sam. I can't even say for sure that Jack was right. Controlling one HFR may or may not have been easy, but if he's willing to learn, might be willing to be controlled, the Asgard might've... oh, SAM. I'm glad Aelf wrote that ep tag, and I have to go reread it again very soon.
I thought the time bubble spans light years, not just the whole planet?
"...She promised." And the others didn't just smash the timer why?
As Jonas and Sam said, they used Fifth's humanity against him... and taught him it wasn't worth being human. This is Jack making the hard and brutal decisions, yes. I would've liked to get Teal'c's reaction, too.
...Whew. This ep packs quite a punch. Still think HFRs are a mistake, but the promise of Replicarter makes up for it, I guess. :)
abyssinia says, Replicarter is arguably one of the best villains to ever grace Stargate. She induces the same horrified fascination as Absolute Power!Daniel - one of the good guys, but with all the brakes off. AP!Daniel, however, lasted a single ep and never existed outside Daniel's (and Shifu's?) mind(s). Replicarter, in contrast, nearly took over an entire galaxy. And, like AP!Daniel, it makes all us wonder, just a little, how very very dangerous Sam would be if her moral compass went AWOL. That has to be fun. :) Aby, BTW, will be recapping this ep for redial_the_gate later today, and I fully expect it to be utterly squeeful!Despite all that, I have to confess that I'm not a real fan of human-form Replicators (I'll call 'em HFRs from now on). Replicarter, hoo boy yes. But the idea of HFRs are, to me, a major letdown from the visceral creepiness of metal lego bugs. It's also a bit, hm, anthropomorphic-centric? The spider forms were much more efficent. Why not pattern themselves after the Asgard, fr'instance, who they've been fighting all these centuries?
Ah, well. Here we go. As always, liveblogging of reaction without really discussing the ep. Onwards!
Daniel and Reece! I'd forgotten the Asgard took her. Ah, Daniel. ::misses him::
That "previously" of an Asgard (Thor?) talking about Reece - where is that from? Revelations, maybe? I've only watched it once and I regret to say that wasn't when Redial featured it last season.
So a dumb ship rather than a dumb idea? :) And hey, JONAS MEETS THE ASGARD. Woo hoo! Why doesn't Thor ask who he is?
It is hilarious that poor Teal'c still hasn't had a chance to take that stupid cap off. I mean yes, he looks good in black and all, but it's not like he needs to hid anything at this point, does he?
"You instructed every Replicator out there to come to you...?" "I have a theory why you lost the war." Hee, Jack! And speaking of dumb ideas, instead of this elaborately arranged trap, why didn't the Asgard tell the Replicators to "come forth" in the vicinity of a black hole or something?
Er, Thor, not asking for much, are you? And if they activate the device, how do they leave?
::grins:: Thor, you showoff. At least the prisoners and annoying reporter woman can get home, though.
"I hope you did the paperwork." ::sporfles::
DO NOT LIKE that Jack didn't tell Thor that he needs to talk to Hammond first. I mean, I love the Asgard's little gray butts and all that, but Jack doesn't have the right to make this decision on his own.
Ah, yay, thank you, Jack! "It's not my ship. It's not up to me." Thor just jumped the gun.
Siler!
Love, love that grin on Hammond's face. "Colonel! It's good to see you alive and well." Awww, George!
BEST LINE EVER: "You might want to get upstairs and punch one on the old speed dial."
Blank, puzzled look: "My grandchildren?"
Jack: "Two, then." BECAUSE GEORGE HAMMOND IS AWESOMESAUCE TIMES ELEVENTY.
"Sir... we can't call it the Enterprise." Bwah! And Sam's grin, hee hee hee.
"...I'm hungry." "...Cargo Bay Three, sir." And again Sam's expression! How she puts up with his insanity... :) Don't answer that, shippers, thank you.
THE ICE CREAM SCENE! No one told me this ep has some of the most classic glee bits in S6!
Do not meddle in the ice cream of the Jaffa, for they are not all that subtle. <-- I think
nomadicwriter has an icon to that effect...::giggles:: No one told me Teal'c switched flavors on Jack! I love all this interplay going on right underneath Jonas' obliviousness.
Thor's eyes narrowing is oddly adorable.
"What is with you people?! Time machines are nothing but trouble. Even we know that!" With a side look at Teal'c. :) Window of Opportunity still grates, apparently. Although Jack seems to forget that come Moebius.
Shoes and footwear - it's not like the Asgard reallly get that metaphor, heh.
That visual of the contrast in size between Thor's ship and Earth is fabulous. Still a long way to go.
Jack training Jonas, wheeeeeee!
No sign of Replicators, but the surface is completely smooth. Urgh, what if the surface is Replicators?
Halla used to be an Asgard world, right? So did the Replicators do something to the weather?
Eeee! I was right about the Replicators being the surface! Man, walking on that would be downright nauseating. "Watch your step," yeah.
Structure is all fancy and futuristic on the outside and cobwebby bricks on the inside? On an Asgard world? Ooookay.
Y'know, starting a timer is one thing. But how does Sam know how to reverse the time dilation? (Although that will obviously come in handy four years later in the Episode I Will Not Talk About.)
Fifth! In a funky jacket.
Okay, so let me speculate here. I can buy the HFRs looking, well, human because they're somehow patterned after Reece, okay. I like that there are two women there, although if Reece was their inspiration, I'd expect more women than men, and certainly that the first one would be a female. But the accent from HFR #1...? Someone has been watching Star Wars again, apparently. Also, I would've liked to see actors with slightly Asian features, like Reece had.
"Ah." BLAM BLAM BLAM. That is so perfectly Jack that it makes me grin. :)
No reaction from the HFRs to the gunplay, which surprised me - the one in the beginning of S8 was affected, although it could easily heal itself. But the sound of advancing bugs is delightfully creepy. And yes, this is why I feel the HFRs are a big step downwards in feeling the menace of it all.
"We're in your unconscious mind." "You'd think there'd be more lights on." Aside from Jack's usual snark, that line is awesome on so many levels, particularly Jack's tendency to play dumb when he thinks it would help.
The iris code.... ::shivers:: And then, of course, Jack has to say, "Here's one for you. I'm thinking of an animal." Ah, Jack. He even makes Replicators laugh!
Uh oh. That was a mistake, HFR. You DO NOT MESS with the memory of Charlie.
It may all be in Jack's head, but I'm glad we got to see the Stargate somehow in this ep.
Teal'c has beautiful, elegant fingers. I think that should be said.
Where's Jonas? ...Ah, there he is. Poor guy - couldn't the HFRs give him a chair?
Temple? Huh. Jonas arguing for talk instead of blowing things up didn't make me nostalgic for Daniel, but that does.
"Anyone hungry?" Yes, this refers to the invitation "to dinner," but I can't help thinking of the last time Jack mentioned that towards the beginning of the ep.
Water bottles. A bowl of apples. Two watermelons. I want to know who chose the menu here. :)
The "boy girl boy girl" things reminds me of the Auditors in pTerry's Thief of Time. I still wonder why they didn't go with a female first, though.
Can't help feeling a little sorry for Fifth here as his weaknesses are openly discussed and dismissed. Poor guy has never met chicanery before, much less the minor manipulation of praise. Also, I wondered why Sixth didn't have the same "flaw," but the dialogue implies that Fifth was a test case they abandoned.
That moment when the bugs drop down on the table, and Jack jumps back just as I flinch at the screen? Yeah. I rest my case - classic Replicators are much more creepy and horrifying than HFRs.
Not too painful for Sam, this time. And I find it very, very hard to watch that scene without thinking of the interplay between Fifth and Sam in S8. She's all earnest and appealing to his logical nature even as she goes for the emotional twist, and... okay, yes, I know how that ends. It's kinda ow all round.
I would absolutely NOT use a Replicator-block table to haul myself to my feet. YUCK.
I have to believe that Sam really did mean to take Fifth along with them. I refuse to accept that she manipulated him so coldly by suggesting he can get there faster when she knew they'd trick him. "You won't leave without me?" "...No." And then she gives him a time that's a fraction too late, and oh Sam. I can't even say for sure that Jack was right. Controlling one HFR may or may not have been easy, but if he's willing to learn, might be willing to be controlled, the Asgard might've... oh, SAM. I'm glad Aelf wrote that ep tag, and I have to go reread it again very soon.
I thought the time bubble spans light years, not just the whole planet?
"...She promised." And the others didn't just smash the timer why?
As Jonas and Sam said, they used Fifth's humanity against him... and taught him it wasn't worth being human. This is Jack making the hard and brutal decisions, yes. I would've liked to get Teal'c's reaction, too.
...Whew. This ep packs quite a punch. Still think HFRs are a mistake, but the promise of Replicarter makes up for it, I guess. :)
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