Monday, October 29th, 2007 07:42 pm

Tomorrow we recap Singularity over in [livejournal.com profile] redial_the_gate, so I popped it in the computer while I got my forty minutes on the treadmill today.

Here's another S1 episode that I knew I enjoyed, but I'd forgotten how much I loved. Jack accidently letting people know that he has real smarts! Jack trying to cover up for it by "explaining" what a black hole is to Teal'c! Sam bonding so amazingly and drawing stick figures! (See see see? We get continuity for Learning Curve!) Every single minute of Janet! Hammond on the red phone! Teal'c improving his "friendly smile" by leaps and bounds since First Commandment! (I melted in a puddle when Cassie first laid that tiny hand in Teal'c's infinitely gentle huge one.) Teamy goodness as they all wait for Sam, and the punch of victory that Daniel gives Teal'c!

Sam and Daniel.

I will always be solidly gen, and I loved this for the marvelous friendship between the two of them. But oh, how easy it would be to reinterpret this on the ship side! There were hints before this for those that looked for it, but Singularity has got to be the official "See? See? See?" episode for Sam/Daniel fans. If I'm wrong about that, do let me know. :)

From the moment she grabbed him by the sleeve and hauled him backwards towards the Stargate, to all the times he checked up and volunteered and just sat patiently waiting, to "I'm saying you don't have to do this... alone." Such lovely, lovely connections there. For me that was wonderful friendship. I'm happy for those who look at it otherwise. :)

My personal take on Sam and Daniel goes something like this (and it's all my own fanon, so YMMV): pre-series Daniel put women into one of three categories: romantic interests, those who wouldn't even look at the geek much less talk to him, and sexless fellow-workers that shared his passion for archeology/philology/Egypt and just happened to be female. (Sarah Gardener started in category #3, became category #1 for two months, and then quickly shifted to category #2 when she discovered that their relationship would last longer if she painted herself with hieroglyphics. And Sha're was different because he fell in love with her courage and strength long before he fell in love with her.)

Then he meets Captain Doctor, and he's suddenly blown away to discover an entirely new fourth category - a brilliant, desirable woman who treats him as a professional colleague.  He's aware that she's beautiful (Emancipation) and he's aware that she's brilliant ("I knew I'd like you.") and yet she respects the boundaries of his marriage with Sha're and deals with him on a professional level. I think that Daniel loves and cherishes and respects Sam for that unique relationship.

Now, Sam. (I stress again that this is my personal fanon interpretation.) Sam has tried the typical "happily-ever-after" route and watched it fail spectacularly with Jonas Hansen. She's earned the respect of her CO, she's doing work she loves, she's a member of the top team and happily breaking the laws of physics on a weekly basis. She doesn't really need a relationship to find contentment, but she has this nagging thought that she's supposed to have one, and she can't quite get rid of it.

Enter Doctor Daniel Jackson, most emphatically taken - and therefore safe. She can be as friendly and cozy and close and feminine as she wants with him, because she knows that he's absolutely committed to Sha're and sees her as a colleague and person, not an object of desire. And knowing that he recognizes her femininity - and isn't frightened away by the combination of brains and beauty - makes that friendship even more special. She can flirt with him without worrying about it, and even admire him to the point of a bit of a crush, because she knows it isn't going to go anywhere.

When Sha're dies, Daniel is suddenly no longer safe, and Sam switches the admiration and bit of flirtation to what she perceives as the next safe target: her CO, Jack O'Neill. Since he's out-of-bounds, wistful affection is safe in his direction, and she can continue her friendship relationship with Daniel without any uncomfortable nuances. It backfires spectacularly, as she discovers that it isn't quite as safe and harmless as she thought it would be. This state of affairs continues until Grace, when her subconscious finally realizes that if she really wants a relationship, it's time to stop pining for what she can't have and do something about it. Enter Pete, who I always thought was a genuinely nice guy, even if the portrayal sometimes left a bit to be desired. And Pete lasted for over a year, until it suddenly got a little too serious, and Sam panicked at the realization that all those dreams of the white picket fence and the dog really aren't her. She's been chasing after those childhood dreams, but honestly? That's not where she wants to be. That isn't Pete's fault, although someone with the smarts to be a cop might have recognized the panic signs a little earlier. But in the end, the breakup with Pete was because Sam recognized that the typical happily-ever-after can never, ever work for someone who has walked through the Stargate.

And that's why Sam is so much happier in S9-10 - she's left all of it behind. All the baggage and the trappings and the need to manufacture a happily-ever-after when she's really quite happy-right-now. She can relax with Mitchell and joke with Vala and cherish Daniel and Teal'c, because she's one hundred percent okay with where she is and what she's doing. Good for her! :)

Now, if you've gotten this far, some minor meandering questions about Singularity: How did Teal'c recognize Nirrti's ship - did it have her symbol mounted on the prow, or graffiti reading Nirrti was here, nyeah nyeah! painted on the side? How adorable is it that Daniel has always been apprehensive about radiation, even long before Meridian? How happy was Janet to discover Jack's "Earth rule" was going to saddle her with a dog in the house? And how much of a struggle was it for all those Canadian actors to keep a straight face when little Cassandra talked about Toronto as if it was such an alien, distant culture that it would easily cover up any gaffes?

Monday, October 29th, 2007 07:22 pm (UTC)
but Singularity has got to be the official "See? See? See?" episode for Sam/Daniel fans. If I'm wrong about that, do let me know. :)

"Singularity" and "Chimera" (how's that for irony?) in my book are the best two - though plenty of bits and pieces of other episodes too (Serpent's Venom, um, others...oh! Morpheus!).

But honestly, as much as I have a soft spot for the idea of the Sam/Daniel ship, my heart is really out to their friendship and I think I actually see them very similarly to how you described - with an added little bit of flirting from both sides that neither realizes is going on.

I like the "Nirrti was here, nyeah, nyeah" theory. Though maybe Teal'c recognized her methods? And, well, Daniel is really acting the way most people do around radiation (I admit I've worked with it just enough in labs to highly respect it but not be jumpy about it - but people who haven't had radiation training? Jumpiness is Perfectly Reasonable).
Monday, October 29th, 2007 08:16 pm (UTC)
with an added little bit of flirting from both sides that neither realizes is going on

Heh. Yes, I see that, only I don't call it flirting as much as comfortable. Sam can be utterly herself with Daniel, and Daniel can be utterly himself with Sam. That's why Need hurt so much, when he told her that she'd never really loved before.

I don't know if you've watched the ep or not, but Teal'c and Jack are watching the hole from the eclipse/black hole combo, and they spot something. Zoom in - no, not a star, too close. Back up a bit. Handwave the ease in focus and quality of vid as usual, but all Teal'c does is look at the ship and announce that it belongs to Nirrti. Talented, that fellow. :)

Oh, I know it's perfectly normal. But it's Daniel that expresses nervousness, and it's a more or less recurrent theme whenever the topic comes up. Think of Bounty in S10 - all Daniel has to hear is that they were tagged with some kind of radiation, and he's nervously brushing off his clothing and asking if they're okay. It just stuck me as cute. Don't ask me why. :)
Monday, October 29th, 2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
Comfortable works too :) Because, yes.

So Teal'c is just talented. And didn't you know that Goa'uld symbiotes give Jaffa super-powered x-ray vision to put Superman to shame? :)

Oh, I agree entirely - Daniel was hilarious in Bounty (like you could brush if off your clothes...) and it makes so much sense. It is interesting that they have him nervous about it, presumably long before Meridian was even an idea.
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:15 pm (UTC)
All jokes aside, we need to be fair - it's still S1. Lots of handwaving required. :) I don't think the writers had settled on generic, one-pyramid-fits-all Goa'uld ships just yet. And you'll note that there's NO WAY for Nirrti to be so cognizant about Tau'ri ways and methods, to know that the SGC would bring Cassandra back to Earth and try to help her.

The radiation nervousness thing is one of those little quirks that just make me smile. I love continuity in characterization, even if it's mostly by accident sometimes. ;)
Friday, November 2nd, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)
Wait. Handwave something on a stargate episode? really? No!
Yeah, it's a very handwave inducing episode but it has so much team-y, SGC-y goodness that I almost don't care.

And, yes, characterization continuity is to be treasures.

(re: Sam and Daniel - you probably haven't read Unreasonable (http://dith.popullus.net/sg1stories/unreasonable.html) by [livejournal.com profile] raqs because it's Sam/Daniel and definitely ....more shippy/explicit than I know you read but it's very much in line with my personal canon on Sam and Daniel and their relationship and everything we were talking about in terms of Sam's conflict about what she wants and if you want to check out the fic (because it is so good and so them and really more friendshippy than shippy-shippy) I think the first half is pretty safe for you (stop at the second kiss) or don't - whatever floats your boat, of course).
Monday, October 29th, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC)
Me loves your Sam-history.

::heart::
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:16 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Not nec'ly my own opinion on life, but I do think it fits Sam's.
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 01:47 pm (UTC)
Oh, it just makes so much sense, your history. I've heard various theories on Sam and why she acts the way she does, and I formulated a few of my own, but this is the first one that really clicks for me. (No need to go into how the inconsistent writing made this desperate cogitation necessary of course.) I love Sam, and I wish everyone did.

Also I love, as you pointed out, that she's FINALLY comfortable in her skin in S9 and 10. And that's reason alone for me to forgive quite a few faults.
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 04:13 pm (UTC)
Glad it clicked for you! I think it's an amalgam of other theories I've read and my own thoughts. And yes, what a pity that the inconsistent writing makes this kind of meta so necessary.

Yep. Love Sam. Love 'em all. It's one of the big advantages of gen. :)
Monday, October 29th, 2007 08:50 pm (UTC)
It's hard for me to really discuss Sam/Daniel canon, mostly because after all the interviews and scraps of convention babble I've read over the years I feel the show was thinking about actually shipping them the first two seasons. (And if not the show then at least Amanda, and especially Michael.) At the very least their friendship is something amazing and sort of unusual and it gives me glee. :)

I'm sort of down with your fanon for Sam, although I don't see her as 'pining' much before season 8, nor do I begrudge her any sort of need for a relationship. People get lonely and need other people. I think her feelings for Pete and Jack and even Daniel were perfectly valid and not so easily explained away. But, you know, different strokes.

Taking all that focus off of Sam's love life though, what's your fanon interpretation of Daniel's love life through the series?
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:24 pm (UTC)
At the very least their friendship is something amazing and sort of unusual and it gives me glee. :)

Oh, yeah! That fits all shapes and sizes and shippers, right there. :)

I do think that it's quite possible they were considering shipping the two of them in S1-2, yes. But I like to try and analyze canon from the in-story perspective if possible.

nor do I begrudge her any sort of need for a relationship

Nor do I, most certainly. And I will concede that "pining" might be a little strong. I was using it in terms of "wishing for something that can't happen," which isn't quite the same as "being miserable about it," which is what pining actually means. Yes, I'll give you that one.

It's not a question of begrudging her the need as much as thinking that she herself wasn't quite sure what she needed. Companionship, yes. A wedding ring? I think she convinced herself about that one, but that deep down - as per Grace - she knew it wasn't the right choice for her.

It's not questioning the validity of her feelings for anyone either. I do think she loves Jack and Daniel and even Pete - but not "love" love. And I am probably not making too much sense here, am I? :)

But, you know, different strokes.

Yep yep. I'm all about the gen, but I don't want to take away other fans' enjoyment of their own interpretations.

Daniel's love life is way too detailed and complicated for a comment reply. Suffice it to say for now that my fanon interpretation keeps Vala away with a ten-foot pole, and I'll try to get something up for you in the next few days.
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:34 pm (UTC)
It's not a question of begrudging her the need as much as thinking that she herself wasn't quite sure what she needed. Companionship, yes. A wedding ring? I think she convinced herself about that one, but that deep down - as per Grace - she knew it wasn't the right choice for her.

Yes, that makes much more sense to me, although I think everyone sort of hopes to find that one person. I think she sort of felt like she was missing out, which she might have been. She was basically trading one life for another, as the entire team did, really. Which is why OT4 makes total sense! :P

It's not questioning the validity of her feelings for anyone either. I do think she loves Jack and Daniel and even Pete - but not "love" love. And I am probably not making too much sense here, am I? :)

You're making sense. I don't think she was 'in love' with any of them, although she was certainly romantically attracted to them (well, I can't really include Daniel in that canon-wise) and there were shared romantic feelings. The potential for love is there, but then I think we'd have to get into personal preference as to what we want to happen, and ehhh... let's just stop there.

I'd be interested in hearing about your thoughts on Daniel. Everyone is always about putting Sam's love life into personal perspective, and we don't see the guys dissected nearly as often. :)
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:42 pm (UTC)
Which is why OT4 makes total sense! :P

::thwaps you::

"Trading one life for another" - yes, that sums it up nicely.

I should mention that this analysis for Sam isn't my POV towards marriage and so forth. But I do think it's the way Sam would see things.

Dissecting Daniel - lovingly! :) - is a favorite pastime of mine. You might have noticed. ;) So yes, I hope to get that posted for you. No promises on when, though.
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:25 pm (UTC)
I love when you get so excited about [livejournal.com profile] redial_the_gate episodes you can't even wait for the recap to start bursting out your glee.

I was seeing the romantic chemistry with Sam and Daniel in the early seasons, but they never went that way, so...oh well. I love their friendship, and it would've messed up the teamy dynamic I love mostest of all. :-)

I've always wondered if Nirrti had some big bumper sticker on her ha'tak as well that Teal'c would recognize it. And I wondered when she switched out hosts...because that's how I fanwank Teal'c calling her a him. (Hey, Goa'uld see to be asexual. It could happen. Girl in Earth mythology. Becomes boy when she's on the outs and needs to change identity. Becomes girl again).
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:37 pm (UTC)
[livejournal.com profile] redial_the_gate is just so much FUN! I didn't come into the fandom until post-S8, and now I get to squee along with everyone else! :)

I love their friendship, and it would've messed up the teamy dynamic I love mostest of all.

Yep! Teamy goodness first, thank you!

Maybe Teal'c never saw Nirrti? And his only acquaintance with female Goa'uld is the queens - like Amaunet and Hathor? So he automatically goes with "he." It's only halfway through S1; Sam hasn't managed to thoroughly teach him, just yet, how very dangerous a female can be. :)
Monday, October 29th, 2007 09:43 pm (UTC)
I have always been one of the Science Twins/Siblings Fanon where Daniel and Sam are concerned. There are times that Sam most definitely treats Daniel as a little brother who needs to be looked after. Likewise Daniel occasionally treats Sam as a annoying big sister.

I love Season 1 as they are so delighted to be with someone they can relate to and who actually understands what they are saying. The scene in the Cartouche room in Children of the Gods comes to mind.

Thanks for this. A very interesting read.
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 09:51 am (UTC)
We discussed the big sister/little brother thing in the last canon vs. fanon post. I don't see the brother-sister vibe myself, very much. But the Science Twins - oh, yes, I'm all the way there. :)

You're right, that it must have been amazing for both Sam and Daniel to find someone they could talk to, on their level, and just connect. I do love that scene in CotG: "I knew I'd like you." "You mean I'm right?"

Glad you liked it. :)
Monday, October 29th, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
Ooo, I like your Sam meta! Very nice--I can buy that. It's too bad she carried the Jack crush a little over the line at times, and I am so happy to see her happy in s9-10.

And how much of a struggle was it for all those Canadian actors to keep a straight face when little Cassandra talked about Toronto as if it was such an alien, distant culture that it would easily cover up any gaffes?

Hee! I'll bet they loved it! The entire Canadian show Due South was based around that premise, because it's such a funny poke at the parochialism of Americans. Have you seen Katie M's fabulous little "Canadian" Nyan snippet? (Search here (http://katiefic.shriftweb.org/Stories/DrabblePage.html) for Nyan.)
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 09:53 am (UTC)
Yes, that's it exactly - a pleasure to see Sam happy, and at peace. Doesn't make up for the whole Ori storyline, but you can't have everything. ;)

Katie M's snippet is the one with the insurance thing? ::bounces off to check:: Yep! I love Katie's drabbles. I need to rec drabbles for [livejournal.com profile] stargateficrec one of these days.
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 12:27 am (UTC)
My favorite part of the episode is how it added another layer to Sam. Time was spent showing us how she is a kick ass solider and this episode added the depth of "mother's love" in its many forms. It also shows just how well the team has gelled because the boys all knew Sam would stay with Cassie in the bunker and they did *not* like it at all.

All in all, its one of my favorites.
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 09:54 am (UTC)
Yes, I loved this side of Sam - one that we needed to see, I think. And LOL at Teal'c's "mother's instinct" suggestion and Sam's rolling her eyes!

And the team. It's a wonderful, beautiful thing. :)
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 03:21 am (UTC)
Nothing much to add, except to say that I really like your take on Sam. And I have no Sam icons, which must be remedied.
Tuesday, October 30th, 2007 09:55 am (UTC)
Oh, I do love Sam - flaws and all. :)
Wednesday, July 9th, 2008 01:52 pm (UTC)
Ooh. I love your interpretation... it really does make sense. Can't believe I didn't think of it before now. And she does seem somewhat more content in seasons 9-10, although she does seem a bit lonely with Daniel seemingly ignoring her for most of season 10. But methinks that was just bad writing.

Great work!

tc,

: )
Sunday, July 13th, 2008 12:38 pm (UTC)
I didn't see Sam as lonely is seasons 9-10, personally. I loved Sam and Daniel's interaction in Arthur's Mantle and Morpheus, for example. It's true that the writers had a bad habit of pairing Teal'c and Mitchell, and Daniel and Vala, leaving Sam to work by herself - and I hated that Sam was left alone. But in the scenes they did have together, I thought they meshed just beautifully.

The one exception to this is Unending, which I hated with the passion of a thousand burning suns (except for about three minutes' worth). When Sam found Daniel studying the Asgard history and spoke to him about it, I was very taken aback - to me, it seemed that they had less connection in understanding love of knowledge than they did in COTG and ToT, way back in S1.

Er. "tc"?