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redial_the_gate does Forsaken today! I'm going into this one... well, pretty much blind. I'm pretty sure this is the ep which includes that neat clip of the team huddled at the bottom of a crater when they Gate through to a fallen Stargate and then use ladders to climb up, but that's kinda it. No real ep review, just liveblogging my reactions. Onwards!
Sam's patient tone with Jack is hilarious. I love her "he's nuts but I put up with him anyway" expression!Jack finds a photo - huh. Reminiscent of finding the cigarette pack in the tomb.
"You have to let us know where you are." Hee hee hee! Shades of Daniel back in Cold Lazarus, not sure he's using his radio properly.
So Jonas finds ruins? Why would that "have to hurt," as Jack says? ....Oh. It's a crashed ship. Prettier than the Prometheus, I suppose, but not exactly obvious to me at first glance.
Ah, exciting that it's a new design, even if it means we don't recognize it as, y'know, a ship.
Why is Sam calling into the opening hilarious?
Stupid stupid alien guy ruining the element of surprise by answering Sam's comment. I like the verisimilitude of the guy being all scruffy, but he's vaguely familiar.
Credits!
Standoff. "Now what?"
Jonas tries to calm things down, awww.
The women is 2IC, huh. Just like Sam.
I like Jack being wary about mentioning the Gate. Also, I'm a tad suspicious about how much information they're volunteering, especially in contrast to Jack's natural wariness, but then again, most people the team meet are unnaturally chatty. It's when they're not that we know They Are Probably Evil.
Why doesn't Teal'c chime with "chappa'ai" instead of leaving it to Jack's oh-so-helpful "Big O"? For that matter, interesting that they don't seem to identify him as a Jaffa.
Aha. So are the three people who are talking to SG-1 front men for these guys or something else? Seems pretty obvious they're lying about the asteroid storm and whatnot.
::giggles:: I so saw that line of Sam coming: "Maybe we can fix this. I'll need to take a look at their technology." Jack: "And why would you do this?" Sam, stating the obvious: "...So I can take a look at the technology." ::squishes her::
I was wondering why Teal'c was so up on Celtic culture until Jack says, "You've seen Braveheart too often." ::sporfles:: Oh, I love their friendship.
Oh, just noticed their uniforms are different from the alien guys who were watching them. And it looks like Teal'c's Jaffa skills have realized that something is off.
Wow, 2IC lady really is a lot like Sam. :) Okay, so we've got bad guys versus good guys or... not? Should I be remembering something here? If nothing else, I'm feeling The Other Side vibes, and what is it with this ep that has me thinking of past eps only ten minutes into the story? Seriously, the team doesn't know which side is the good guys here, and their bad experiences should warn them otherwise.
Love Jack's sharpshooter skills.
Sound weapon! And the alien guys are more sensitive, apparently.
Love smart!Jack. "These guys have been hunting us from the moment we crashed!" "With your own weapon?!"
Hebridan. That does sound familiar. Does this ep actually have a follow-up, and if so, why don't I remember it?
"Cautiously optimistic, sir." Nice.
Love Hammond sending them backup!
Oooh, Major Pierce! I LOVE when we get to see competent SGC personnel other than SG-1, so semi-regulars always fill me with squee. :)
Perfect make-up on 2IC lady (I wish I could remember her name) amuses me.
"All in all, it is pretty amazing." Awww, Jonas. :)
"For a supposedly less advanced human"? Where did that come from? I can't see Jack or the team being stupid enough to tell them that Earth is behind their tech - just different.
I love how much fun Sam is having playing with tech.
"And I make a mean souffle." Heh. Add that line to the data surrounding that all-important question: can Sam cook? (Yes, it's part of my Sam part 2 c vs f, why do you ask?) Also, amused that the captain huffs a laugh at the (admittedly lame) joke and then asks for an explanation. :)
Sam doesn't go for the flirty compliments, hee! Love that expression that says, "GIVE ME A BREAK because one thing I didn't list is my ability to break your legs."
Sam really is a fantastic second officer to Jack. Just sayin'.
See, now that's how you make an ambush. And hey, those eyes are pretty good costuming. Star Trek could take lessons. :)
Glance down at the zat gun. Yeah. My something-is-wrong vibe just got a lot stronger, and Sam sweetie, when you know your backup is gone, especially after what happened on Paradise Lost, you shouldn't be stripping off your gear no matter how hot the ship might be.
...No "three shots disintegrate"? :)
Panning the top of trees - that's a First Commandment shot. What is it with this ep? Homage of Stargate?
Jonas' "I'm not sure" was exactly Daniel's inflection. Huh. Also, Hammond "happening to be passing" is a lousy setup for this scene - generals don't usually wander their bases at random. (Unless they're Jack, heh.)
Renard! That's the 2IC's lady's name.
What was in the bag? Medals? Badges?
Sam, you are awesome. Just so you know. :)
I've seen the team take a ceremonial drink many times off-world... Hm. Maybe Sam is a tad suspicious here, too.
"What does it mean, 'Samantha'?" "That my father wanted a boy." Hah. This is very, very interesting.
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karathephantom and I just talked about this. Just about everyone assumes Mark is older than Sam, but this line suggests that Sam was the older one.If they were on the planet as long as Aiden claims, his scruff would be a whole lot scruffier.
The romantic music is kinda annoying because it's really contrived.
Jonas dropping the "artifacts" (and since they weren't there before, I suspect stage dressing for Renard's benefit) is kinda funny. He's not too good at this, is he?
"No. What. Huh?" ::grins:: Again, the romantic music is kinda annoying.
Yeah. She's going to swipe something, right? No one mentioned video cameras.
"Prison transport Seberus"? Aha. And the first thing Sam does is check and discover her radio is gone.
Love Teal'c's reflexes. :)
That's DION JOHNSTONE'S VOICE! Fifth and Chaka and wheeee, why is Vancouver actor bingo so much fun? :D That's it - I'm officially voting for his side. Dion always plays the initially-misunderstood-alien!
Just taking a moment to admire Teal'c's arms, as I have been doing intermittently throughout the ep. :) So nice of them to put him in sleeveless!
Yay Sam for taking Aiden off-guard! I love how professional she's being, although I don't like how close she is at the moment.
So how much do I believe that in Aiden the humanitarian...? Yeah. That little. Uh huh.
Okay, there was a definite human on that recording Sam saw. How does this match Alien Dion's story?
I'd totally forgotten the photo. And when I paused just now to type, that shot of intent smart!Jack is just great. :)
His wife...?
::10 ton anvil hits Fig::
AHA. These are the guys from Space Race which integrates humans and aliens! No wonder Hebridan is familiar! Come to think of it, it's one of the planets mentioned that "fell to the Ori" in the last minutes of an S10 ep where Langara was so casually dismissed, too.
And Teal'c makes the connection to understand how Celts taken through the Gate could be so far advanced from Earth. Nice one, Teal'c!
Uh oh. And Sam just told them everything was okay. Ouch! And y'know, bad Jack for not warning Sam that crazy!navigator was on the loose and definitely dangerous.
Please please tell me that Jonas' casual slap of the arm was a secret code signal to warn Pierce that something was up? That would make my squee hit the Richter scale.
That gag that poor Sam has looks remarkably like the ones that SG-1 had slapped on their mouths in Tin Man - I always assumed it was something that belonged to Harlan, but maybe not?
"...We'll watch your back." Jack really does have good instincts. Most of the time. :)
Is it the large ears that make the alien guy so sensitive to the sound weapon, I wonder?
No, the gag was duct tape, I think. 1001 uses you DON'T want duct tape to be used for, I guess. Love that Sam's first words were tactical: "They have Jonas, sir."
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Jonas' secret eyebrow signal for "Teal'c is on his way." Hee hee hee hee hee.
Wonder what the address is actually for? The Alpha Site?
Aw, it wasn't a Teal'c signal? I am so disappointed. Someone needs to write me SG-1-specific hand signal fic. I do get that the fluttering of his hand suggested the GDO, yeah.
"Incredible." Incredible that Jonas is a little much not!Daniel for me in that bit, sigh. But Jonas is so adorably cute. "Kisses on the first date. ...What?" ::squishes him::
Bottom line: An interesting ep in which everyone but Teal'c got to shine, and Teal'c didn't do too badly either. But really, the team should KNOW by now about not trusting strangers, whether or not they kiss on the first date! Oh, and I was wrong about that gouged-out-by-the-kawhoosh scene. I guess that one's still coming up...
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Definitely soufflé and cookies. Apparently not cake (cf. the scene during Cassie's 16th birthday celebration, where Janet insists that Cassie come have some of the cake Sam made, and Sam corrects her to "bought").
My (personal) fanon is that Sam has some party pieces that she learned with her mother before she died, and is plenty intelligent enough to follow a recipe should she desire to cook something, but cooking is not an important part of her life. If she can make a soufflé, she probably also knows how to make a basic white sauce, so I doubt she's incapable of making edible food as some have suggested. She already does so much, including running a vintage Volvo and restoring motorcycles, doesn't spend much time at home, and spends her vacations in the lab. She is superwoman, and that's okay with me, but making her a cordon bleu chef would seem to me to be a bit OTT.
Re: Sam's birth order -
In the pictures that are on display at Sam's house during the time that Orlin is there, there is a picture of Carmen Argenziano and his step-daughter (a blue-eyed blonde) and a picture of twin babies (Amanda Tapping and her twin brother). Set dressing is not canon, but on the other hand nothing in canon directly contradicts this, so my personal fanon here is that Sam and Mark were twins.
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(And I love that scene. "Baked." "Bought." "Brought." Hee hee hee.)
I do agree with you, by the way - Sam is certainly capable of cooking, but she doesn't do haute cuisine because she doesn't have the time/patience/inclination. I've seen some people suggest that the trauma of finding out her mother had been killed while she was baking cookies was enough to make her hate cooking/baking, but I like to call that fanon for a reason. :)
I never noticed the pics - thanks for that! Although the same reasoning that suggests here that Sam is older makes the twins idea a bit unlikely, in my opinion. I don't think Jacob was so boy-obsessed that a set of twins, a boy and a girl, wouldn't be a good enough because the girl was born first.
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It could be that Sam says this (all apart from Amanda's rl) because she feels that Jacob values boys - whom he would have seen as more suitable/more likely for following him into the Air Force) over girls. Obviously, he is totally over this. He's as proud as can be of his little girl, now that he knows what she does. But this does not mean that she really understands this yet. I think that in many ways it is Jacob growing to value what Sam is and does, and to recognize that she is his legacy in the Force, and a worthy one, that leads to the improvement in their relationship that she mentions as he is dying in Threads. She's been trying desperately all her life to gain his love and admiration, to have him think she is doing the right thing. Mark felt no such need. He was capable of resenting Jacob's need to win and control, to blame him for his mother's death, and walk away, cutting all ties. In my experience, it is the undervalued child that stays and continues to try to please. The overvalued child has a healthy ego, and is often a bit narcissistic, and can easily escape.
But I can totally support your interpretation winning over mine because Occam's razor states that the simplest interpretation is more likely to be correct.
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I do agree that Sam, at this point, might not be wholly certain that her father completely accepts her. OTOH, there is no canon to support the suggestion that Sam has been chasing that approval all her life - at least I can't think of any!
All this speculation is clearly an indication that it's high time for a new canon vs. fanon. Let's hope I can manage it soon. :) In any case, thanks for a fun discussion!
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I'd say the chasing approval is less based on lines and more based on Sam's physical reactions and interactions with Jacob in "Secrets" and "Tok'ra Parts 1 & 2", and the things that Hammond says to her in "Tok'ra Part 1" to try to get her to allow herself to stay behind. Nothing irrefutable, but plenty of persuasive visual evidence.
But don't mind me. I can nit-pick at these things for hours. ;)
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I love how we can put different personal spin on the same events, don't you? I saw the scenes in Secrets/The Tok'ra as Sam's frustration that Jacob won't accept that she's happy with what she's done on her own instead of accepting the gifts that he offers her. As you say, that kind of subtlety can easily be interpreted in different ways. And that's what makes it all so much fun! :)