Sadly, I did not have time to rewatch Grace for this week's ![[info]](https://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/community.gif)
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zinke's recap, here are a few random thoughts of my own:
1. I love how Sam hallucinates each member of the team: Teal'c watching her six and urging caution, Daniel suggesting she try to communicate and think outside the box, Jack making her think like a soldier and get moving. Just lovely.
2. My absolutely favorite aspect of all this is Sam's apparent conviction that Daniel is a shameless flirt. Those fluttering eyelashes make me grin every time. :)
3. As a gen girl, Grace is about Sam coming to terms with what she wants. I've always wondered how Jack/Sam fans see it. Care to share?
Here are my own thoughts on Sam and shipping, pretty much cribbed from an old entry/comment of mine that I can't find at the moment:
Sam will never -- could never -- be happy with the white picket fence and 2.4 kids. That's not to say it's a wrong dream for someone to have, but it's the wrong dream for Sam. She loves Out There too much to ever truly settle down. OTOH, feminist ideals aside, there's a part of her that still has the white picket fence dream and wishes it could be real for her.
So she tries Jonas and that fails. Whether it's because he's too lunatic fringe (canon) or he expects her to give up her career (reasonable extrapolation from his behavior in canon) or a combination of both, that ends disastrously. She still has the dream, but it hasn't worked out -- and a large part of her unconsciously wants to make sure it'll never happen and get in the way of her real dreams of being Out There.
So she plays it safe. At the beginning, "safe" actually means Daniel, who is the antithesis of Jonas Hanson, has that Wonder Twin brilliance and connection with her, and -- most importantly -- is married. There's a lot of S1-2 Sam and Daniel interaction that comes very close to flirting if you look at it with the right glasses on (I do dislike the "if you squint" term). Daniel is comforting, challenging, attractive... and completely unavailable, Sha're's absence notwithstanding. Sam can relax around him without concern of misconceptions leading where she doesn't want to go.
Then Sha're dies, and Daniel struggles through the aftermath, and suddenly he's officially single and dangerously available. And it's about that time that we suddenly see less Sam and Daniel interaction, although what we do see is still friendly. To me, this is Sam seeing Daniel as now unsafe, and she shifts the flirting aspect to Jack -- single, yes, but officially out-of-bounds. They've admired each other mutually for over three years now; she knows he's attractive: his appearance, his skills, his morals, his viewpoints. She trusts him, and knows she can do a little flirting and be assured of nothing but friendliness in return. (Think how huge that trust must be for Sam, compared with the chip on her shoulder when she and Jack first meet.)
So Jack-as-safe lasts for several years, until this episode and her epiphany that if she does want to find true happiness, she has to stop playing it safe. This doesn't mean making a play for Jack, who is safe because he is impossible -- fraternization rules, what changing personnel would do to the team dynamic, the unhappy reality of it always being the woman at fault to outsiders in this kind of scenario. So she decides, by the end of Grace, to try to have her cake and eat it too: to keep Out There, which she can never abandon, but try for some version of the white picket fence at the same time.
Enter Pete. I won't discuss the "Stalker Pete" thing here, because there are a dozen ways to interpret his actions and they all boil down to what attitude the viewer carries into the ep in the first place. Nor will I discuss how easily Pete is brought into the SGC's secrets, because that's a meta for Chimera. But with the status quo of Pete in the know, he seems to be the perfect answer for Sam: bright, funny, a little irreverent (Sam needs that contrast), a good person with dedication to serving others. Things move relatively slowly for Stargate's usual full-speed-ahead on relationships; it's a full year from our first encounter with Pete (which is clearly some time after Sam first meets him) until they get engaged.
But then things start to unravel, because the white picket fence dream is suddenly a little too real and starts to interfere with Out There, which will always and forever be Sam's first love. And it's Sam slow realization that the white picket fence can never work for her that leads to breaking things off with Pete.
Do I think that's the way it has to be for every person on SG-1? To be honest, no. I love that Dixon and Wells have families, and Bill Lee has kids.sixbeforelunch wrote a fic that I loved which gave Mitchell a wife, and it worked. But I do think that once the team dynamic status quo has been established, it's nearly impossible for Sam or Jack or Daniel to become involved with anyone else -- they know each other better than many married couples, and how do you bring an outsider into that? -- and that the team itself means too much to them to risk involvement with one another.
Hey, I said it's a gen girl theory here. :) I would love to hear dissenting opinions.
4. One final observation: they used Sam's hallucination of Jack in the "previouslies" for Threads. This is on a par with showing the Stargate activating in Reckoning on a planet from FIAD that didn't actually exist. Oh, show. :) :)
redial_the_gate. So before I go and read zinke's recap, here are a few random thoughts of my own:1. I love how Sam hallucinates each member of the team: Teal'c watching her six and urging caution, Daniel suggesting she try to communicate and think outside the box, Jack making her think like a soldier and get moving. Just lovely.
2. My absolutely favorite aspect of all this is Sam's apparent conviction that Daniel is a shameless flirt. Those fluttering eyelashes make me grin every time. :)
3. As a gen girl, Grace is about Sam coming to terms with what she wants. I've always wondered how Jack/Sam fans see it. Care to share?
Here are my own thoughts on Sam and shipping, pretty much cribbed from an old entry/comment of mine that I can't find at the moment:
Sam will never -- could never -- be happy with the white picket fence and 2.4 kids. That's not to say it's a wrong dream for someone to have, but it's the wrong dream for Sam. She loves Out There too much to ever truly settle down. OTOH, feminist ideals aside, there's a part of her that still has the white picket fence dream and wishes it could be real for her.So she tries Jonas and that fails. Whether it's because he's too lunatic fringe (canon) or he expects her to give up her career (reasonable extrapolation from his behavior in canon) or a combination of both, that ends disastrously. She still has the dream, but it hasn't worked out -- and a large part of her unconsciously wants to make sure it'll never happen and get in the way of her real dreams of being Out There.
So she plays it safe. At the beginning, "safe" actually means Daniel, who is the antithesis of Jonas Hanson, has that Wonder Twin brilliance and connection with her, and -- most importantly -- is married. There's a lot of S1-2 Sam and Daniel interaction that comes very close to flirting if you look at it with the right glasses on (I do dislike the "if you squint" term). Daniel is comforting, challenging, attractive... and completely unavailable, Sha're's absence notwithstanding. Sam can relax around him without concern of misconceptions leading where she doesn't want to go.
Then Sha're dies, and Daniel struggles through the aftermath, and suddenly he's officially single and dangerously available. And it's about that time that we suddenly see less Sam and Daniel interaction, although what we do see is still friendly. To me, this is Sam seeing Daniel as now unsafe, and she shifts the flirting aspect to Jack -- single, yes, but officially out-of-bounds. They've admired each other mutually for over three years now; she knows he's attractive: his appearance, his skills, his morals, his viewpoints. She trusts him, and knows she can do a little flirting and be assured of nothing but friendliness in return. (Think how huge that trust must be for Sam, compared with the chip on her shoulder when she and Jack first meet.)
So Jack-as-safe lasts for several years, until this episode and her epiphany that if she does want to find true happiness, she has to stop playing it safe. This doesn't mean making a play for Jack, who is safe because he is impossible -- fraternization rules, what changing personnel would do to the team dynamic, the unhappy reality of it always being the woman at fault to outsiders in this kind of scenario. So she decides, by the end of Grace, to try to have her cake and eat it too: to keep Out There, which she can never abandon, but try for some version of the white picket fence at the same time.
Enter Pete. I won't discuss the "Stalker Pete" thing here, because there are a dozen ways to interpret his actions and they all boil down to what attitude the viewer carries into the ep in the first place. Nor will I discuss how easily Pete is brought into the SGC's secrets, because that's a meta for Chimera. But with the status quo of Pete in the know, he seems to be the perfect answer for Sam: bright, funny, a little irreverent (Sam needs that contrast), a good person with dedication to serving others. Things move relatively slowly for Stargate's usual full-speed-ahead on relationships; it's a full year from our first encounter with Pete (which is clearly some time after Sam first meets him) until they get engaged.
But then things start to unravel, because the white picket fence dream is suddenly a little too real and starts to interfere with Out There, which will always and forever be Sam's first love. And it's Sam slow realization that the white picket fence can never work for her that leads to breaking things off with Pete.
Do I think that's the way it has to be for every person on SG-1? To be honest, no. I love that Dixon and Wells have families, and Bill Lee has kids.
sixbeforelunch wrote a fic that I loved which gave Mitchell a wife, and it worked. But I do think that once the team dynamic status quo has been established, it's nearly impossible for Sam or Jack or Daniel to become involved with anyone else -- they know each other better than many married couples, and how do you bring an outsider into that? -- and that the team itself means too much to them to risk involvement with one another.Hey, I said it's a gen girl theory here. :) I would love to hear dissenting opinions.
4. One final observation: they used Sam's hallucination of Jack in the "previouslies" for Threads. This is on a par with showing the Stargate activating in Reckoning on a planet from FIAD that didn't actually exist. Oh, show. :) :)
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This shipper's interpretation (others MMV, don't take this as any kind of definitive) is that Sam wasn't looking for a relationship with anyone for the first three seasons. Sure, it'd be nice if the right man came along – but she's not going to get herself into another Jonas H. situation, and she's not about to put a relationship before her job, because she adores her job. She's not blind, she can see that all her boys are very pretty – and all very unavailable. Life is good.
But sometime around the end of season 3 / beginning of season 4 she realises that she's kind of got a little too attached to her CO. This is Bad News: she's not going to be that kind of woman or officer, she still prefers her job over a potential relationship with someone who's maybe a little too similar to Jonas for comfort. So after a few eps in early season 4 where they both toy with the temptation, she puts it firmly behind her and gets on with her job (which she still adores). She never quite lets go of the 'what if', though. It crops up again, every now and then.
As time goes on, her job starts to seem a little less emotionally fulfilling, and she starts to feel a little alone (she gets kidnapped and no one notices for two whole days). She rather wishes she did have some kind of life outside of the Mountain. She maybe tries dating, but they're either a) aliens with problems, or b) can't live up to her relationship with her teammates. There's never quite the spark that would make it worth splitting her time and effort. No one quite compares.
So it goes on, until Grace, where she realises that, if she really wants someone in her life, she needs to stop waiting for something to change, and make the change herself. She isn't sure what exactly it is she needs to let go of – at first she decides it's the 'what if' she's still carrying around. She throws herself wholeheartedly into the relationship with Pete, and for a long time it seems like she's made the right choice. But Pete ultimately can't live up to the emotional intensity she has with a) her teammates, and b) her job. He's not been there, on the frontline. She spends ages debating whether or not to marry him; introducing him to her dad is painful; he wants to talk about ordinary stuff at all the wrong moments... He's a great guy, but he's just not quite right. So she reluctantly admits defeat on that one.
Then the situation changes, and Who Knows What Happens Next? *g* We never really get to hear any more about Sam's emotional life – which in itself I find interesting. Is she settled, or is she still working through the problems and it's just offscreen? Could be either. She does leave SG-1 for a time, though, with no apparent qualms. She feels more settled to me – which leaves the question as to whether that's alone or with someone. She does tell Barrett she's "Not exactly" single, but the darn TPTB still refuse to fish or cut bait.
One final observation: they used Sam's hallucination of Jack in the "previouslies" for Threads. This is on a par with showing the Stargate activating in Reckoning on a planet from FIAD that didn't actually exist.
That's true, but OTOH it's something that one of the characters remembers, and it is relevant to the story (or the Grace/Threads one is - I forget how FIAD/Reckoning connect).
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What astonishes me is that with a few very minor tweakings, this is actually pretty similar to the gen POV. And it does make a lot of sense, yes.
can't live up to her relationship with her teammates
Yes, yes, yes. Poor Sam. And Jack, and Daniel. SG-1 has totally ruined them for normal relationships. Teal'c barely escapes it, and I'm not entirely sure he does.
Re being kidnapped and nobody noticing - I don't... buy that one, not really. I don't buy the fanon that the team spend every waking moment together whether they're inside or outside the Mountain and they were drifting apart in S5. The NID carefully chose the time when they'd have the biggest head start, that's all. But I do agree that Sam wanted something more around then, especially when Daniel leaves her behind for an entire year and Jack won't even talk about it. Team dynamics are crumbling (remember Paradise Lost?) - if she's losing the Out There life, the least she can do is find a regular life.
Thanks for your long explanation! I quite enjoyed reading it. :)
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And, well, I'm not saying that the team ever spends all their waking time together. Just that, if I disappeared and no one noticed for a couple of days, that would be rather an unwelcome discovery. I'd start to wonder if I was going to die alone and be eaten by my pet cats. :) That may be me applying my motivations to Sam, though.
And yeah, I don't think it's purely Jack that Pete can't live up to - it's the whole thing. Pete just doesn't stand a chance against the level of intensity involved in being at the SGC - it's not his fault, he's just not One Of Us. In the end, Sam doesn't really crave an ordinary life - she craves someone to be with, which isn't (or doesn't have to be) the same thing at all.
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::grins::
I do hear what you're saying about the two days. I just don't agree with it. :) I don't feel an obsessive need to keep tabs on people I love on an hourly or even daily basis. Sam is certainly entitled to a team-free weekend, and they went into action as soon as she didn't show up Monday morning. Who knows? Maybe the NID specifically chose that weekend because they knew it was the first time in months the team wasn't getting together... ;)
it's not his fault, he's just not One Of Us
YES, exactly.
Sam doesn't really crave an ordinary life - she craves someone to be with, which isn't (or doesn't have to be) the same thing at all.
And this too!
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Should I ruin things now by confessing that I think Sam and Jack are So Totally Together since some time after Threads, and that the relationship is everything and nothing like Sam had been imagining for all those years (but certainly doesn't involve white picket fences of any kind)? *g*
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::fines you one gen Sam and Jack ficlet, to be delivered ASAP::
::grins, ducks, and runs::
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Wow, where is that fanon? I've totally never heard that. Fascinating.
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I've seen lesser versions of this with Sam and with Jack. The Jack versions usually have the team drifting away post SoG and then Something Horrible happens and they're shocked to realize how many changes Jack has recently made in his life and they didn't know! ::wails:: And the Sam version, as Pepper mentions, is horror at poor neglected Sam being kidnapped by Conrad and no one noticing because she and Daniel apparently no longer call each other to match civvies. Or something. There's a fic I started and couldn't finish in which Sam is missing after an insane week at the SGC, and no one noticed they hadn't seen her for a while and they spend days trying to backtrack who saw her last.
::grins:: Hey, there's a reason canon vs. fanon fascinates me - there's so much of it that feeds on itself and doesn't fit the narrative. There are people out there who can't bear any kind of extrapolation that doesn't have canon basis. I'm not that pure, I guess. ;) But I think, at the very least, that people should be aware that SG-1 never actually got banned from O'Malley's and Jack has never, ever casually rested his hand on the back of Daniel's neck outside two very emotional canon hugs (Serpent's Lair and Need). And when fanon takes on a life of its own without any basis at all and then starts changing the perception of canon... well, that's when I start my ever-so-polite rants regarding "Danny" and the whole "Saint Daniel" nonsense.
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Or maybe it's just that I have such little patience for woobie SG-1 that I just have super fast backbutton reflexes.
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I didn't even know what LJ was when I first discovered SG-1 fandom. I was reading websites, archived authors, and I assure that yes, these stories really do exist. Happily, they are relatively rare in LJ fandom, although I've come across LJ nicks that match author names I recognize from my early days and very quietly backed away. :)
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(I have no problem with things being used over and over in fanfic despite their lack of common occurrence in canon; that to me is a separate question. And to me some things, like Jack touching Daniel's neck specifically as opposed to his shoulder or his arm, are, at least among slashers, done because we love thinking about it. Not because it's validated by canon actions, but because it's an extrapolation of Jack's behavior to a situation that we don't ever see him in, in canon.)
By the way -- I was watching Emancipation, and I believe it's that episode where the recurring idea that Sam can't cook crops up. Of course she says it to her "buyer" after being kidnapped, so it might not be true, but I bet that's where it came from!
And you and I agreed to disagree about "Danny" long ago, so I'll just pass by that in silence, LOL!
Thanks again.
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Emancipation: as you yourself point out, Sam says she can't cook. But she's arguing with her "buyer" that she's a lousy purchase, so might very well be a lie (or true on the "cook at this planet's level of advancement" aspect).
Forsaken: She quips to Corso that she "can make a mean souffle." As the guy is flirting shamelessly with her and she's not enjoying it all that much, it would be a bit odd to add that out of the blue if it wasn't true.
My favorite in S5's Rite of Passage, with Cassie's birthday cake: Cassie wants to go out with Dominic. Janet holds up her hand and says, "Fine, bring him in. I'm sure he'd like a piece of the birthday cake that Sam went to all the trouble to bake."
"Buy," Sam corrects quietly.
"Bring," Janet says without missing a beat.
Aside from the sheer adorableness of this :) I personally read this as Janet expecting that Sam would bake for the occasion. It could be interpreted otherwise, of course.
Then there's chocolate walnut cookies and macaroons, which may or may not be home-baked...
I know. I'm hopelessly obsessed. :)
::squishes fandom::
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I am just as obsessed as you are with details like this and you know it! *eggs you on*
thanks again.
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It's been too long since the last c vs. f - time to get that half-finished post off my hard drive already!
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I think my view on the whole thing is pretty similar to yours. I really do think Sam and Daniel were flirting a lot early on (heck, those two in the first few seasons were the first time I EVER shipped anybody in any show) and I think Sam really was honestly attracted and interested (also, he appeared to be everything Jonas wasn't), but respected that he wasn't available. By the time Sha're had died and enough time had passed that it wouldn't be weird, I think Sam and Daniel's relationship had settled into something else that was both more comfortable/confident and yet, less flirty - like they almost waited too long. Plus, at that point, Daniel was getting increasingly antsy and dissatisfied with his life. By then Sam had failed with Martouf and Orlin and that Tollana guy and she was falling hard for her work AND getting more comfortable with herself and who she was and her role in her job and with being female in her workspace, and feeling less like she needed what society claimed would make her happy.
I think Jack was the safe thing - the person she admired a lot (and he was totally a mentor for her) and cared about a lot and wasn't hard on the eyes but not someone she actually wanted to date or felt like it would be a good idea. But if she kept burning the candle for someone who was never going ot happen, she could continue pretending she was looking for what society thought she was supposed to want, and put that aside to dive into the life she really enjoyed.
But I think by Grace part of her was feeling lonely and having second thoughts. I see it as the kick in the pants of really admitting to herself how she's been using the idea of Jack and finally letting it go and taking that confidence to get out and explore life a bit more. All of her team members have been married and, more or less, had children and she can't shake the feeling that she's missing something out of life. I think there's something to Pepper's feeling of the fear of being alone. I know, personally, a few years back I slipped on the stairs doing laundry and I remember, as I was lying there trying to get my breath back and figure out if I was seriously hurt, it was pretty horrifying to realize that if I was hurt I'd be lying there for at least 2 days before anyone noticed. It's nice/safe/comfortable to have someone who would notice if you didn't come home one night.
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And, yeah - maybe not specifically the kidnapping incident, but it can be hard to be alone, even for someone as workaholic as Sam, with the close relationships she already has in her life. People even stay in bad relationships because of that simple fear. Sam's career makes it awfully difficult for someone to fit into her life if they aren't already there. And dating people at the SGC must be complicated for other reasons.
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Sam's career makes it awfully difficult for someone to fit into her life if they aren't already there.
*nods* Even though she really is happy and content with where she's ended up, there will always be that niggling curiosity of whether the grass is greener - and in this case the societal pressure to get that thing society says she is supposed to want. Plus, by this time in the series, she's hitting her mid-30s, which means she's getting closer to the time when she can't have kids anymore, if she wants them and it's part of that war I think Sam has always had in trying to balance who she is with who she wants to be and who the rest of the world wants her to be.
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Even though she really is happy and content with where she's ended up, there will always be that niggling curiosity of whether the grass is greener
Yes, exactly. And like you say, with the added pressure for women to hurry up and make a decision before it's too late, and sometimes it's so hard to know whether kids are something you actually want or whether it's something you've been brought up to think you should want (um, hello, my issues). Unfortunately, it's not really something you can try out and decide you don't want after all thanks very much. And Sam's only human, she wants cuddles and sex and someone to take out the garbage as much as the next person.
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That's how I feel 95% of the time I see S/J people going on about a specific scene or the supposed "S/J theme music" or whatever - a great big "huh" and "that's not the scene I thought I was watching" and the other 5% I roll my eyes because it seemed like this awkward OOC moment the S/J-inclined producer/director was trying to force us to believe. Oddly, I feel like J/D shippers notice S/J scenes more than I do.
And Sam's only human, she wants cuddles and sex and someone to take out the garbage as much as the next person.
Exactly! There's a reason Raqs' "Unreasonable" is totally 100% canon for me. It hits all that square on the head - the tug between liking what she has and missing what she doesn't. And, yeah, on all the issues.
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It goes back to my take on Fallen, when Daniel asks Sam if there had ever been anything between them, and Sam is so taken aback, and then Daniel decides to come. To me, that is Daniel recognizing this huge wave of affection for this strange woman and assuming that they must have had a relationship. And when Sam is so honestly surprised, Daniel realizes that no, it wasn't a physical relationship, but they loved each other anyway. And the thought of such a deep connection was so intoxicating that he picked up his bag and dared to walk into the unknown.
(why yes, I wrote this into a ficlet, why do you ask?)
Sam's career makes it awfully difficult for someone to fit into her life if they aren't already there. And dating people at the SGC must be complicated for other reasons.
::nods:: I'm not suggesting there's a good solution, either. Poor SG-1. Too closely intertwined to even remember what a normal social life is supposed to be like!
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Yes, this is EXACTLY how I see early Sam and Daniel, with the added caveat that despite the occasional flirtiness, I think Sam treasured that Daniel treated her a person and fellow scientist first and a woman next. With all the reactions Sam has to deal with on a daily basis, that kind of attitude is too precious for her to upset the balance.
I think Jack was the safe thing - the person she admired a lot (and he was totally a mentor for her) and cared about a lot and wasn't hard on the eyes but not someone she actually wanted to date or felt like it would be a good idea.
Exactly, yes. And your take on Grace here too - tired of dreaming and wanting the real thing (and good point that the others have all been married).
I think there's something to Pepper's feeling of the fear of being alone.
I wasn't disagreeing with that, just disagreeing with the idea that it shows a lack of connection with the team. Kidnapping emergencies aside, there are times when as much as you love a person, you need some PERSONAL SPACE. :)
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I agree with that entirely and I think that was unquestionably a part of the connection - he didn't ask her to prove herself and he didn't make assumptions based on what she looked like. I'd also argue that getting together wouldn't necessarily change that attitude.
I wasn't disagreeing with that, just disagreeing with the idea that it shows a lack of connection with the team. Kidnapping emergencies aside, there are times when as much as you love a person, you need some PERSONAL SPACE. :)
I didn't see Pepper saying it shows a lack of connection with the team, just a feeling that there's something missing from her life and while the team fills certain holes, they don't fill them all. And you can have personal space and still have someone who would notice you disappeared before two days passed, you know?
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No argument from me. I have no problem with people who ship Sam/Daniel - there's certainly less in the way than there is for Sam/Jack. It's just not seen through my personal gen goggles, that's all.
Regarding the "disappeared for two days" thing, I think we're getting a bit mired down in it. Pepper did cite it as evidence that the team might have been less close at that point, which I don't agree with; she also says, as you do, that it's a feeling that there's something missing from her life and while the team fills certain holes, they don't fill them all. And that I do agree with. :)
And you can have personal space and still have someone who would notice you disappeared before two days passed, you know?
Heh, yes, fair enough. Although I do think that the NID planned that abduction pretty carefully and deliberately chose a moment when she would be missed for two days.
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Aha! No, that's not what I meant (although I see how it reads that way). I meant that, as close as she might or might not be with her teammates, she didn't have someone waiting for her at home. She was (I felt) feeling a little alone in a way that wasn't really about her relationship with the guys.
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She was (I felt) feeling a little alone in a way that wasn't really about her relationship with the guys.
I can see that POV, yes.
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A good example is the scene in Entity when Sam is returned to her body, and Jack taps the bed by her hand, rather than clasp that hand, or give her a hug. I don't think that Jack hugs Daniel when he is returned after Jack thought he had lost him in Serpent's Lair because he has a sekrit male-to-male attraction for him that he doesn't have with Sam, nor that he fails to hug Sam in Entity because he is feeling too guilty for having shot her. He left a wounded Daniel behind, which is against his own personal code - as we know because of how pissed he was when it was done to him in Iraq, but he hugged him in his joy at having him returned. Yet he doesn't hug Sam, and to me it makes sense that this is because he worries how it will be perceived, because he has guilty knowlege of how non-regulation his feelings for her are. If he was not-being-asked-and-not-telling regarding Daniel, he certainly would not have hugged him in front of God, Hammond, and the marines either.
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Isn't it wonderful how we all see things differently? :)
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You wear gen goggles, I ship but don't multi-ship, and others have their own take. If we all agreed, either this world would be boring because we are all too alike, or the show would have to be awful, because there would be nothing there to ponder!
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*cracks up*
I actually will argue until I'm blue in the face that Sam's degree is actually in Engineering Physics and her actual doctoral research was astrophysics-related (a related field she was strongly interested in and took coursework in). It makes a lot more sense with her interests and her skillset and I would find it totally believable that she got tired of people saying "huh?" when she said "engineering physics" and just started saying "astrophysics" because it's not exactly wrong and most people at least think they know what that means and don't give her blank stares. Though they might back away in intimidation of her brains.
But, then, I also adamantly refuse to believe Rodney McKay has a PhD in both theoretical astrophysics and mechanical engineering, whatever canon claims.
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::grins:: I can so see Sam shoving this into the mental category with the "worm in the apple" explanation she's had to give a zillion times!
Though they might back away in intimidation of her brains.
Heh. Which is why Blue Jell-O Metaphor is my definitive Sam fic.
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[shrugs]
I'm perfectly willing to believe that TPTB would have given her the other degree if they'd been scientists and not writers.
I'm a Classical and Near Eastern Archaeology major, and therefore not a hard scientist. My family are professors of Classics, English, and Law (all more to the verbal side than the mathematical). My husband's a doctor (the bio side of science, athough he was a Chem. major). So, as you are more on the hard science end, and have a knowlege base to back you up, I'm easy. :)
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I come from a professorial family, and I know first hand that my Grandfather would relate anything discussed at the dinner table to the Romans. My uncles would take it to Criminal Law and Mark Twain. My father would store it all up to cut into pieces which would show up like little kaliedoscope fragments in his fiction. My cousin made it All About Physics. I chose Archaeology because it draws from every discipline, so I viewed it all through different goggles depending on mood. Some days it's all about Egyptology, others Stargate, and sometimes it's Parenthood Day, and so on...
Every single last one of us humans is a little bit nuts. I tell my kids that if they ever find someone who is totally normal...RUN!!!! 'Cause that's just not right!
I'm just thankful that I can derive so much entertainment from the Human Comedy, and that I am not alone in this.
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Or take a picture and sell it for the sheer rarity value. ;)
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Ah! I can *explain* this! See, the vision came from Sha're, right? So the planet is one that she or Amaunet visited. It's not imaginary at all. In fact there was a very good reason it showed up in that vision...and if I ever figure it out, I will totally write fic about it!
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