SFA really open for noms this time! Plus, some pre-Canon vs. Fanon meta.

[fignewton]

The Stargate Fan Awards really are open for nominations now. We have until December 31st. Once you've logged in (or created an account), the site is easily navigated. I'm having some personal trouble with some of the coloring for the text boxes, but I've dropped the SGA team a note and I hope to see that revised soon.

So far, I've nominated six vids. I can see this is going to be an ongoing process... so yeah, better to get started now. :) I've bookmarked the "Manage My Nominations" page, which should help.

And now for some meta, because believe it or not, I really do have another Canon vs. Fanon in the works!

While skimming some S6 transcripts (heh, how else can I do S6 research...?), I discovered a most interesting exchange in Memento:

Jonas: How many planets have SG-1 been to?

Teal'c: One hundred thirty three.

So, after nearly six years, they've been to 133 planets. That comes out, in average, to about 22 planets a year. Now, contrast that with Mitchell's pride in 200 about his 200th time through the Stargate... Hmm. Even with the obvious conclusion that Mitchell isn't counting missions but event horizons, aren't those numbers just a little out of proportion?

I think I'm going to sneak this little factoid into the next Canon vs. Fanon, which will be about offworld, because many fanfic writers have the team Gating out weekly at a minimum, if not even more frequently than that. A list of 133 planets (and I adore Teal'c for having that information effortlessly at his fingertips) contradicts that rather strongly. Unless, of course, you suggest that Teal'c was making up a number at random - but the timing seems wrong for that kind of thing, and as far as I can tell, Teal'c did not have that kind of "straight man" relationship with Jonas. If I'm wrong about that, I'd appreciate correction from those of you that have actually watched S6. :)

ETA: I have now edited the subject of this post and the tags to reflect that this has essentially turned into a canon vs. fanon debate. As always, my flist rocks. :)

Comments

[pepper-field.livejournal.com]

Maybe they went to a lot of moons, and Teal'c is being deliberately evasive / literal / nitpicky? c.f. Prodigy, Paradise Lost... (I'm not deliberately citing a season 6 one and Prodigy there, it's just those are the only two I remember. *g*)

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Hee! Maybe, who knows? I did wonder if Teal'c was deadpanning Jonas. There's an interview with CJ somewhere where he invents a number, out of whole cloth, of the number of times Teal'c has said "indeed"... :) Is there any evidence in S6 of Teal'c pwning Jonas like that?

And yeah, sure, like I'll believe that. ::sticks out tongue::

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

Is there any evidence in S6 of Teal'c pwning Jonas like that?

Oh, dear god YES.

DESCENT! Where Jonas says they should be buddies because they're aliens and Teal'c deadpans "Jonas Quinn, are you suggesting and alien conspiracy?"

I love it so much!
Ie: Yes, Teal'c LOVES pulling Jonas's leg.

(okay, okay, I'm going to work. really.)

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Oh, Teal'c, you are just too awesome for words. :)

That was at the beginning, though, right? How about when they're on a mission? Memento, from the script, puts the scene as a pretty serious one.

You go to work. I should probably go to bed. ;)

[abyssinia4077.livejournal.com]

Yes. I LOVED Teal'c in that scene beyond measure.

And, yeah, Teal'c and Jonas do, to some extent, bond and develop mutual respect as the season progresses (and, yes, Descent is early). I went and looked up which episode was "Momento" (the one where they have the temporary commander of the Prometheus make Jack look *really good* at diplomacy and first contact) and....I haven't rewatched it but I could imagine Teal'c and Jonas having a lighthearted conversation at various points in it. Don't remember which scene that one took place in. Odds are they really have been, as TEAM, to that number of planets.

Working. Really. I swear!

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

It's the first scene in the library, where they're trying to find evidence of the Stargate in the planet's history.

the one where they have the temporary commander of the Prometheus make Jack look *really good* at diplomacy and first contact

Heh, yes, I got that impression from the script... :)

Not sleeping! But signing off, for now.

[pepper-field.livejournal.com]

Yeah - just because Teal'c said it, doesn't mean it's true. Maybe he was annoyed at all Jonas's questions - maybe he thought Jonas might need a precise answer - maybe he thought someone else was listening in on their conversation...

The only specifically similar jokey incident I recall from S6 is this bit, in Descent:

Jonas: I mean, those of us who are not originally from the planet Earth…gotta stick together, right?

[Teal'c turns quickly to face Jonas, a forbidding look on his face.]

Teal'c: Are you suggesting an alien conspiracy?

[Jonas, still eating the banana, shrugs, surprised.]

Jonas: No! [Teal'c continues to stare at Jonas.] Oho… [Jonas laughs nervously.] Of course, yes. I…I was warned about your occasional use of humor. It's… Got me!

ETA: And I see Abyssis got there before me. *g*

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Of course, yes. I…I was warned about your occasional use of humor.

That line is MADE OF WIN. :) :) :)

That's early S6, though. I would like to get a reference to later in the season, when they were closer.

For the record, it's a private conversation between Teal'c and Jonas, and the tone of the script suggests that it's not particularly jokey. Still... it's intriguing to suggest that it may not be best to take it at face value.

[pepper-field.livejournal.com]

For the record, it's a private conversation between Teal'c and Jonas, and the tone of the script suggests that it's not particularly jokey.

Yeah, I remember the scene - I agree, it wasn't especially jokey. However, it was in a library, with other people around - perhaps Teal'c was being especially cautious...? I dunno, I'm just speculating as to reasons it might not have been the absolute truth. If anything, I'd think Teal'c might have been very exact in his answer, and not included moons, waiting to see where Jonas was going with the question.

I love that someone - I wonder who - actually warned Jonas about Teal'c. Hee.

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

I love that someone - I wonder who - actually warned Jonas about Teal'c. Hee.

Oh, now there is a fic tag just begging to be written! :D

[pepper-field.livejournal.com]

"Okay, put your hand on this."

Jonas obediently reached forwards. "So this records my handprint?" he enquired, with interest, craning his neck to see whilst still keeping his hand on the scanner.

Walter nodded, pressing buttons. "You're now in the system," he announced, proudly. "Want me to give you a lesson on the iris mechanism?"

"Oh, yes, please! I'm keen to learn as much as I can about regular Stargate operations," explained Jonas. "I mean, if I know the regular procedures, I can see when something is going wrong. Now I'm a member of SG-1, somehow I feel a personal sense of responsibility to ensure the safety of the base."

Walter nodded. "Everyone here must be alert and ready for anything to happen," he said, portentously. "Anything. At any moment, there could be an event that threatens the safety of our entire world." There was a slight pause, in which they both seemed to be waiting for an apocalypse. There was a distinct lack of apocalypsii. "Any moment," reiterated Walter, firmly. "We just don't know when."

"Yeah," agreed Jonas, with just a smidgeon less enthusiasm.

Sensing he was losing his audience, Walter turned to the bank of computers responsible for the iris. "This is the Telemetry Imaging Processor, or TIP machine," he explained. "Your palm print has been recorded and stored here. I'll set the appropriate permissions—" He did so, "and now you can open and close the iris as needed. Put your hand back on the scanner. Go on, give it a try." Jonas did so, and the iris closed. "That opens the iris." Walter leaned into the tannoy, and pressed the transmission button. "Just running some tests," he announced to the Gateroom. The Marine commander glared up at him. "Okay, now put your hand back on it again." Jonas did, and the iris opened again. "There: now you know how to do one of the most important jobs in Stargate Command."

"Yes. It's very important."

"Essential. Of course, that's not all we do up here in the Control Room," said Walter.

"Yes. Well, I think maybe I ought to be—"

"I can show you the power output monitors."

"I'm pretty sure Major Carter wanted me to—"

"And I can give you some insider information about the team, too."

Jonas hesitated. "Well, I am interested in hearing more about what it's like to work with them..."

"Oh, I've been here since the beginning," said Walter, confidently. "I've seen them at their best and their worst, and everything in between." Jonas wavered. "Teal'c, for instance. You might think he's all stoicism and honour, but there's much more to him. Much, much more."

Despite himself, Jonas leaned forward, intrigued. "Yes? I've found Teal'c very hard to interpret – and I'm usually very good at reading people."

"Well, underneath that enigmatic exterior there is a passionate, curious, and somewhat stubborn man. Then of course there's the humour."

Jonas nodded. "Oh, yes – Major Carter and Colonel O'Neill have both made jokes at my expense about the uniform. They were very funny."

"Not them – everyone knows to beware of those two," Walter said, dismissively. "I'm talking about Teal'c's occasional use of humor."

"Teal'c? But I thought he was so... straight-laced."

Walter shook his head fervently. "Don't be fooled. He's much more subtle than—" he looked swiftly around, and was assured that they were alone, "—than Colonel O'Neill. Much more subtle. That's what makes him all the more dangerous. When he punks you, you don't know it until three weeks later and the video has gone around the entire base. Believe me."

"What's 'punks'?"

Walter's face lit up. "Oh, it's from this series – to 'punk' someone is to play a practical joke on them. I can lend you the DVDs. Working with SG-1, you'll need all the help you can get..."

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Oh, glee! :D

Walter relentlessly giving technical information! "Any... minute... now." Hee hee hee! Shades of Heroes, and Endgame. :)

And of course Walter is the one to warn Jonas. Really, he's seen it all...

::hugs commentfic::

Outstanding, Rigel!

[sg-fignewton.livejournal.com]

Pepper!

::thwaps self::

Can't edit the mistake now after you replied, even though you deleted it. But I thank you for the courtesy. :)

I can definitely see the Siler who told Rothman in Crystal Skull that "I think you're gonna get fired" giving Jonas a warning about Teal'c...

[pepper-field.livejournal.com]

Ah, curses - sorry. :)

Heh, true about Siler, I forgot that scene. *g*

[crazedturkey.livejournal.com]

Hah!

Walter is SUCH an old woman. But he's right!

(this glee icon is the best one EVER)

[pepper-field.livejournal.com]

Heh, I love that icon.

Yeah, Walter is very kind to give the newb a heads-up. Most everyone else would sit back and wait for the hazing to begin. With popcorn. :D

[aurora-novarum.livejournal.com]

You know, Teal'c actually WOULD be that pedantic.

(And I think you are accurately noting the gaps in Fig's Stargate repertoire. Clearly she must watch some of these eps to fill in her knowledge base.)